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RAKKIR
Seeker
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 Posted - 09 Aug 2005 : 22:11:55
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Hello,
I noticed this as an OLD topic in another forum and wanted to bring it up here. How many DM's allow their mages to cast OUT of their own prismatic sphere's? Back in 2E I asked Skip Williams this in an e-mail and he said the answer was that a mage can no more cast OUT of his sphere than someone can cast INTO the sphere. I agree very strongly with this as it preserves game balance. As far as I am concerned, in my campaign, this is the correct answer.
How do you guys feel about this?
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Melfius
Senior Scribe
USA
516 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2005 : 22:25:15
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| No, one cannot cast out of a prismatic sphere. |
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Fletcher
Learned Scribe
USA
299 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2005 : 22:26:29
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step in and out of the sphere when ever they want to yes...
Cast out... NO! |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2005 : 06:15:09
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quote:
Originally posted by Fletcher
step in and out of the sphere when ever they want to yes...
Cast out... NO!
Agreed.
Still like the look on my DMs face when in an Epic game my Drow Cleric walked through the Prismatic Sphere his NPC had cast to keep the party away from him.
And I agreed with his call that the wizard had to present his list of prepared spells for taking down the sphere.
The party didn't have the right spells to do so.
And while the rest of the party was debating how to get past the sphere, I told the DM I was gonna walk through it, only got hit by two bands, and only one of the had affected me. |
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Misericordia
Seeker
Italy
66 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2005 : 12:15:57
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quote:
Originally posted by Fletcher
step in and out of the sphere when ever they want to yes...
Cast out... NO!
Perfect! |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Aug 2005 : 12:55:54
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| 3.5 says " You can pass into and out of the prismatic sphere and remain near it without harm. However, when you’re inside it, the sphere blocks any attempt to project something through the sphere (including spells)." in reference of cotse to one cat by you. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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silvermage
Seeker
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Posted - 10 Aug 2005 : 13:22:18
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Originally posted by Kentinal
3.5 says " You can pass into and out of the prismatic sphere and remain near it without harm. However, when you’re inside it, the sphere blocks any attempt to project something through the sphere (including spells)." in reference of cotse to one cat by you.
Excuse my asking, What is it that so peculiar about prismatic spheres that makes it so resistant to spells and this and that? |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Aug 2005 : 13:38:13
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It is a series of magical walls that block various effects.
Red - Stops nonmagical ranged weapons.
Orange - Stops magical ranged weapons.
Yellow - Stops poisons, gases, and petrification.
Green - Stops breath weapons.
Blue - Stops divination and mental attacks.
Indigo - Stops all spells.
Violet - Energy field destroys all objects and effects.(1)
One can try to walk though the sphere (or wall) where each color tries to do some effect. If making saves for first three colors one takes only 70 hit points of damage (140 if all three Reflex saves are failed). 4th color save vs. poison or die. 5th color save vs. turned to stone. 6th save vs. unsanity. 7th color save vs. being shifted to another plane. It is a powerful shield.
There are spells cast in a certain order that can take out the sphere (or wall).
1. The violet effect makes the special effects of the other six colors redundant, but these six effects are included here because certain magic items can create prismatic effects one color at a time, and spell resistance might render some colors ineffective.
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"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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Faramicos
Senior Scribe
Denmark
468 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2005 : 13:44:52
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| The strength of the sphere is its ability to resist magic... From both sides. Both in and out of the sphere... |
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Lord of the Undead
Acolyte
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Posted - 10 Aug 2005 : 13:49:30
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| Surely that even it is well known that the prismatic sphere is resistant to magic, but unlikely to be immuneor completely resistant to magic, can a full force of magic assault (enough to rock Faerun) break through resistances of the prismatic sphere? |
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Melfius
Senior Scribe
USA
516 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2005 : 14:45:49
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| Unfortunately, no. Absolutly NOTHING (barring the proscribed series of spells) can break through a prismatic sphere/wall. |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1073 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2005 : 15:25:53
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quote:
Originally posted by Melfius
Unfortunately, no. Absolutly NOTHING (barring the proscribed series of spells) can break through a prismatic sphere/wall.
So you mean that even the magical equivalent of a nuclear blast can`t break through? |
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Faramicos
Senior Scribe
Denmark
468 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2005 : 15:26:11
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| Are you sure of that? My view on things and magic in particular is that the beauty and challenge of wielding great magic is that there is always something to couter your moves... Dont you think that there is some way (i dont know how) that you can break through a Prismatic Sphere. |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Aug 2005 : 15:49:52
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RAW there is either the series of 7 spells cast in the correct order or "A rod of cancellation or a mage’s disjunction spell destroys a prismatic wall, but an antimagic field fails to penetrate it. Dispel magic and greater dispel magic cannot dispel the wall or anything beyond it."
So there are three ways to take it down.
A nuclear blast would be stoped by Violet any effects not stopped by Yellow or Green. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1073 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2005 : 15:51:37
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quote:
Originally posted by Kentinal
RAW there is either the series of 7 spells cast in the correct order or "A rod of cancellation or a mage’s disjunction spell destroys a prismatic wall, but an antimagic field fails to penetrate it. Dispel magic and greater dispel magic cannot dispel the wall or anything beyond it."
So there are three ways to take it down.
A nuclear blast would be stoped by Violet any effects not stopped by Yellow or Green.
What level IS that spell?! It is really powerful! |
If I were a ranger, I would pick NDA for my favorite enemy |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
4686 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2005 : 15:59:57
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Originally posted by khorne
What level IS that spell?! It is really powerful!
"Level: Protection 9, Sor/Wiz 9, Sun 9" |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
Edited by - Kentinal on 10 Aug 2005 16:01:35 |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1073 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2005 : 16:21:32
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quote:
Originally posted by Kentinal
quote:
Originally posted by khorne
What level IS that spell?! It is really powerful!
"Level: Protection 9, Sor/Wiz 9, Sun 9"
Thanks. |
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Fletcher
Learned Scribe
USA
299 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2005 : 16:57:59
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Originally posted by Melfius
Unfortunately, no. Absolutly NOTHING (barring the proscribed series of spells) can break through a prismatic sphere/wall.
I seem to recall something in the Deity and Demigod's book about a ray attack that instantly takes down the entire prismatic sphere. But hey, to use the spell you have to be a god.
I don't have my books handy, anyone remember what I'm talking about?
Am I remembering correctly? |
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RAKKIR
Seeker
61 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2005 : 17:08:59
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There are several other spells that breech prismatic sphere. These are in addition to Disjunction and a Rod of Cancelation.
1: Eye of Mystra. 2E spell.
2: Pierce Any Shield. 2E spell.
3: There are also certain types of gemstones I do belive it is that will go RIGHT through the sphere without any damage.
I would also suspect there were other spells created by mages in Faerun that would go through it. I'm sure Ed Greenwood for instance can list several.
Do Silverfire and Spellfire go through it? I think it's a "Wall of Force" that blocks spellfire isin't it? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 10 Aug 2005 : 17:12:42
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quote:
Originally posted by Kentinal
RAW there is either the series of 7 spells cast in the correct order or "A rod of cancellation or a mage’s disjunction spell destroys a prismatic wall, but an antimagic field fails to penetrate it. Dispel magic and greater dispel magic cannot dispel the wall or anything beyond it."
So there are three ways to take it down.
A nuclear blast would be stoped by Violet any effects not stopped by Yellow or Green.
So even Bigby's Crushing Tactical Nuke would be stopped by it.  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36782 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2005 : 17:19:06
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quote:
Originally posted by RAKKIR
Do Silverfire and Spellfire go through it? I think it's a "Wall of Force" that blocks spellfire isin't it?
As I recall, in the novel, Shandril used spellfire to destroy a prismatic sphere. 'Twas while she was still working with Elminster, testing her limits and abilities. |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1073 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2005 : 17:58:18
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Kentinal
RAW there is either the series of 7 spells cast in the correct order or "A rod of cancellation or a mage’s disjunction spell destroys a prismatic wall, but an antimagic field fails to penetrate it. Dispel magic and greater dispel magic cannot dispel the wall or anything beyond it."
So there are three ways to take it down.
A nuclear blast would be stoped by Violet any effects not stopped by Yellow or Green.
So even Bigby's Crushing Tactical Nuke would be stopped by it.
Does anyone know why bigby was so occupied by hands? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36782 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2005 : 23:16:45
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quote:
Originally posted by khorne
Does anyone know why bigby was so occupied by hands?
Thing, from the Addams Family, once saved his life. 
Truly, I've wondered the same thing myself... I have noted that some spellcasters tend to have a theme. They create one spell, and then, as they progress in power, they keep tinkering with it and make more powerful variations of it. So it could be that he made one spell, liked it, and decided to see what else he could do with it...
Besides, I'd imagine it's easier to craft spells if you stick with a theme. That means part of the spell would remain the same each time, allowing you to focus on the other parts.
Of course, Bigby might have really had a fixation on hands... He's a Greyhawk character, though, so you'd likely be better off asking on a Greyhawk forum. |
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2005 : 00:18:55
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by khorne
Does anyone know why bigby was so occupied by hands?
Thing, from the Addams Family, once saved his life.
Truly, I've wondered the same thing myself... I have noted that some spellcasters tend to have a theme. They create one spell, and then, as they progress in power, they keep tinkering with it and make more powerful variations of it. So it could be that he made one spell, liked it, and decided to see what else he could do with it...
Besides, I'd imagine it's easier to craft spells if you stick with a theme. That means part of the spell would remain the same each time, allowing you to focus on the other parts.
Of course, Bigby might have really had a fixation on hands... He's a Greyhawk character, though, so you'd likely be better off asking on a Greyhawk forum.
Then why does Tenser have the transformation but also the floating disc? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 11 Aug 2005 : 00:53:06
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Originally posted by Reefy
Then why does Tenser have the transformation but also the floating disc?
Note the word "some" in my post. |
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Melfius
Senior Scribe
USA
516 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2005 : 01:10:31
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| In psychological terms, Bigby has a hand fixation, and Tenser suffers from Fighter-envy. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Melfius
Senior Scribe
USA
516 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2005 : 01:46:01
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Well, as Sigmund Freud once put it, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."
Then again, sometimes a kid-leather glove isn't just a kid-leather glove!
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36782 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2005 : 02:23:30
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Anyway... Returning to the topic of spellcasting and prismatic spheres...  |
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Melfius
Senior Scribe
USA
516 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2005 : 02:55:58
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| AND the mob of rabid moderating hamsters appears on the horizon! |
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Arlenion
Acolyte
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Posted - 17 Aug 2005 : 00:18:16
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| Back to the topic of Silverfire, yes it could pierce a prismatic wall/shell as the FRCS states that it pierces any magical barrier automatically. |
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Casting OUT of a Prismatic Sphere
