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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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 Posted - 26 Sep 2005 : 00:57:53
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Anyone have any official info on who or what lived in modern day Turmish/Southern Lake of Dragon coast during the Age of Jhaamdath?
Im strongly tempted to merge it into Jhaamdaths borders to fit in with the stuff Eric Boyd wrote about Borem in F&P
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 26 Sep 2005 : 01:28:06
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In one of Ed's Polyhedron articles he mentions the pirate realm of Scarlabatine that was located in the area. The reference seems to indicate a date after the founding of Turmish however, so that may not be helpful.
Quite likely, there were lots of Turami realms during this period located in the region of Turmish.
As for Jhaamdath, I'm not sure it should reign strongly for over 5500 years as a unified, psionic-dominated realm. This is my personal opinion naturally, but I see Jhaamdath waxing and waning in power depending on what and who was ruling at the time and more importantly, what its neighbours (such as Unther) were doing.
I note Ed Bonny's work on udoxias and stuff like that, but they come across as re-named mythallars for psionics - in other words a psionic Netheril. I just don't find the idea all that original. Now, if psionics came to Jhaamdath because its inhabitants were originally controlled by a nation of illithids (since destroyed or somesuch or even Oryndoll) [and yes, I know this isn't original either given the genesis of the duergar] and threw off the yoke of their oppressors and then had a period were psionics were a big no-no followed by a period where those with psionics did achieve power, well it would make the historical growth of Jhaamdath a bit more varied and well ... interesting. Within that there would be internal strife, dynastic squabbling, invasions from other realms etc - history.
But I'm rambling, so I'll stop now.
-- George Krashos
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 26 Sep 2005 : 08:36:37
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Thanks George
The Turami write up in ROF has spawned a few ideas. It would seem that the Turami where displaced by the Mulan when they toppled the Imaskari and eventually wandered through to the area of modern day Turmish.
Historic equivelant: The Huns driving the Saxon/Goths etc into the lands of the Western Roman Empire
The Realms equivelant being the Mulan/Unther playing the roles of Huns, the Turami being the Saxons/Goths and Jhaamdath playing the role of the Romans |
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El Magnifico Uno
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 13 Oct 2005 : 19:36:09
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Jhaamdaths as Romans? Puh-lease... Really now Dargoth, next you'll be making up stories of Jhaamdath being the root of human civilization, and that their language forms the basis of modern Faerun speaking as we know it... Errr...
Right!... In any case I was under the impression that Jhaamdath control spread pretty far and wide and would cover Turmish and the Lake of the Dragon, since Jhaamdath battled Mir and Calimshan around the Lake of Steam... |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 14 Oct 2005 : 01:06:22
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In my recent FR travels I've also noticed two ancient, lost realms located in the general area you describe here. One is Glandara which is mentioned in the sourcebook "Pages From the Mages" (The Glandar's Grimoire) and the other is Jahorga from the sourcebook "Prayers From the Faithful" (Loviatar's Lash). I'm not sure that they are an exact fit geographically, and may overlap with territory considered to be Jhaamdathi, but as I said before, Jhaamdath's history and territorial holdings are likely a lot more convoluted and 'real life' as opposed to making a blanket statement that the realm existed as an unchanging, united 5.5 millenia entity. But again, that's my opinion. You only have to look at the history given for Calimshan in EotSS to see how history should IMO unfold in the Realms.
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 14 Oct 2005 : 01:24:57
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Originally posted by George Krashos
In my recent FR travels I've also noticed two ancient, lost realms located in the general area you describe here. One is Glandara which is mentioned in the sourcebook "Pages From the Mages" (The Glandar's Grimoire) and the other is Jahorga from the sourcebook "Prayers From the Faithful" (Loviatar's Lash). I'm not sure that they are an exact fit geographically, and may overlap with territory considered to be Jhaamdathi, but as I said before, Jhaamdath's history and territorial holdings are likely a lot more convoluted and 'real life' as opposed to making a blanket statement that the realm existed as an unchanging, united 5.5 millenia entity. But again, that's my opinion. You only have to look at the history given for Calimshan in EotSS to see how history should IMO unfold in the Realms.
-- George Krashos
Thanks George!
I can think of a few places where the unamed kingdom associated with Glander could be placed
Jahorga sounds like it could be a post Jhaamdath Kingdom......
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The lands of Turmish between -5800DR and -255DR
