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Phantom_Lord
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Pakistan
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 Posted - 08 Oct 2005 : 20:31:21
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has there ever been mention of corrupt purple dragon knights anywhere? perhaps in tilverton?
if there are any such characters, i'd really like to know, thanks.
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 08 Oct 2005 : 20:57:50
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| It's been years since I read it, but one of the stories in Realms of Shadow detailed some of what had happened to Tilverton. Based upon my memory of that story, it's plausible that there would be magically transformed Purple Dragon Knights somewhere in Tilverton-but I wouldn't be thinking they were corrupted(assuming you mean the template from the BoVD). Undead or shadow-related transformations seem more likely, and there's a template from the Fiend Folio that seems extremely appropriate, but I can't remember the name and don't have my copy back yet to check. |
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Phantom_Lord
Seeker
Pakistan
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Posted - 08 Oct 2005 : 22:52:27
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| hehe, i guess i should've phrased it better - what i meant to ask was corrupt in the sense of morality and consicious. you know like a bad cop? |
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Arivia
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Oct 2005 : 23:06:22
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Oh, that.
Most likely, very probably.
We've a few articles on the Knights in the library here-maybe one of them has something?
I wouldn't be surprised if there was a Knight company or two with some Sembian influences in their command. |
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Phantom_Lord
Seeker
Pakistan
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Posted - 09 Oct 2005 : 11:23:20
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Here's what I was thinking.
Basically during the time of the Scardale incident, Cormyr sent a bunch of troops to annex Tilverton. And during this time Cormyr formed an alliance with the Zhents to fight off the forces of Scardale.
The troops sent to Tilverton, on what is basically a baby sitting mission. And since most of the forces and attention is only on the dales, what you have here are troops that are extremely resentful of the crown.
Could be a possibility. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 09 Oct 2005 : 17:56:23
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| You know, we have had more than one mention of War Wizards who had gone bad... So I'm sure that there are -- or have been -- Purple Dragons who were loyal to someone other than the Crown. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 09 Oct 2005 : 18:01:16
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Originally posted by Phantom_Lord
Here's what I was thinking.
Basically during the time of the Scardale incident, Cormyr sent a bunch of troops to annex Tilverton. And during this time Cormyr formed an alliance with the Zhents to fight off the forces of Scardale.
The troops sent to Tilverton, on what is basically a baby sitting mission. And since most of the forces and attention is only on the dales, what you have here are troops that are extremely resentful of the crown.
Could be a possibility.
You know, I don't see how being sent to run garrison duty at a distant outpost is going to make loyal troops resentful of the Crown. Just because they're sent to somewhere they don't want to be, it's not going to make them turn against the Crown. |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 09 Oct 2005 : 20:42:01
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| I find it very hard to imagine corrupted Purple Dragons, for the simple reason that Vangerdahast would come down hard and fast on them as soon as he found out. And he would find out. After all, he is a control freak who knows nearly everything about everyone(that`s what I believe, so if I´m wrong please correct me)But I don`t know if Caladnei is like that. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 09 Oct 2005 : 20:58:03
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Originally posted by khorne
I find it very hard to imagine corrupted Purple Dragons, for the simple reason that Vangerdahast would come down hard and fast on them as soon as he found out. And he would find out. After all, he is a control freak who knows nearly everything about everyone(that`s what I believe, so if I´m wrong please correct me)But I don`t know if Caladnei is like that.
Vangey is a control freak, but he's not able to read the minds of every single Purple Dragon. He had enough on his hands just insuring the loyalty of the War Wizards -- and we still had some bad apples slip thru. With hundreds -- nay, thousands -- more Purple Dragons, it's just too much for him to do. |
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Saime
Acolyte
Denmark
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Posted - 09 Oct 2005 : 21:51:06
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Vangey is a control freak, but he's not able to read the minds of every single Purple Dragon. He had enough on his hands just insuring the loyalty of the War Wizards -- and we still had some bad apples slip thru. With hundreds -- nay, thousands -- more Purple Dragons, it's just too much for him to do.
I agree. There are simply too many Purple Dragons to control them all. And if we take the latest development in Cormyr into account (Elminster’s Daughter etc,), corruption or even betrayal from a few Purple Dragons seems quite plausible.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 10 Oct 2005 : 04:41:06
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| Ditto. Now matter how tight the system, eventually some people find a way to slip through the cracks. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 10 Oct 2005 : 04:56:20
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It could even be a result of the Knight's own personal feelings or committments to the Code. Perhaps he's seen things or been involved in situations where he has began to question the overall purpose and wisdom of the Purple Dragon Knights. Maybe he believes that following his own path will lead to "better" results.
Remember, corrupt doesn't necessarily have to equate with evil intent -- it may simply mean that the Knight in question has found some other way to deal with the threats to the Forest Kingdom and pursues that course by following a "corrupt" interpretation of the Purple Knights code.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 10 Oct 2005 : 18:52:24
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| Good point, Sage. There is a such thing as "burnout". |
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Phantom_Lord
Seeker
Pakistan
92 Posts |
Posted - 12 Oct 2005 : 06:22:49
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Phantom_Lord
Here's what I was thinking.
Basically during the time of the Scardale incident, Cormyr sent a bunch of troops to annex Tilverton. And during this time Cormyr formed an alliance with the Zhents to fight off the forces of Scardale.
The troops sent to Tilverton, on what is basically a baby sitting mission. And since most of the forces and attention is only on the dales, what you have here are troops that are extremely resentful of the crown.
Could be a possibility.
You know, I don't see how being sent to run garrison duty at a distant outpost is going to make loyal troops resentful of the Crown. Just because they're sent to somewhere they don't want to be, it's not going to make them turn against the Crown.
Let me clarify a bit.
You're a dutiful Purple Dragon Knight. You ready to lay your life down for King and Country. And then this big crisis pops up - The Scardale incident. You want to rush up to the front lines and in the end you get sent to this almost backwater city, on baby sitting duties. And - your King allies himself with the enemies of the crown, the Zhentarim.
Wouldn't you be a bit peeved?
Just asking. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 12 Oct 2005 : 11:31:09
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quote:
Originally posted by Phantom_Lord
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Phantom_Lord
Here's what I was thinking.
Basically during the time of the Scardale incident, Cormyr sent a bunch of troops to annex Tilverton. And during this time Cormyr formed an alliance with the Zhents to fight off the forces of Scardale.
The troops sent to Tilverton, on what is basically a baby sitting mission. And since most of the forces and attention is only on the dales, what you have here are troops that are extremely resentful of the crown.
Could be a possibility.
You know, I don't see how being sent to run garrison duty at a distant outpost is going to make loyal troops resentful of the Crown. Just because they're sent to somewhere they don't want to be, it's not going to make them turn against the Crown.
Let me clarify a bit.
You're a dutiful Purple Dragon Knight. You ready to lay your life down for King and Country. And then this big crisis pops up - The Scardale incident. You want to rush up to the front lines and in the end you get sent to this almost backwater city, on baby sitting duties. And - your King allies himself with the enemies of the crown, the Zhentarim.
Wouldn't you be a bit peeved?
Just asking.
Well, most people are going to see that the alliance with the Zhents was done because it was necessary -- it's not like the Purple Dragons became the Black Network 2.0.
Other than that... In your scenario, I'd not be happy, and I'd be wanting to either return to Cormyr proper or be sent to some real combat. But if I'm loyal enough to be willing to lay down my life for the Crown, a simple thing like garrison duty isn't going make me turn against my nation.
You're suggesting that someone with a strong loyalty to the Crown would turn against the Crown for simply being peeved. I'm not saying it's impossible, just unlikely. It would take a lot to turn a loyal son against the Crown. The Sage's scenario is more likely: a loyal soldier might lose interest in serving, but he'd not chuck his years of service out the window and join the Zhents just for getting garrison duty.
Oh, and it's usually the younger, inexperienced soldiers who are eager to get sent to the front lines. The older ones, the ones that have been serving for a while, would be happy to serve the Crown in a non-combat capacity.
Someone who truly wants to serve his nation will understand that not everyone can get sent into combat, and that sometimes just having troops in an area is what is necessary to best serve the interests of the Crown. |
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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 12 Oct 2005 11:35:53 |
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Phantom_Lord
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Pakistan
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Posted - 13 Oct 2005 : 05:38:01
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| Thanks Wooly! :) |
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