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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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 Posted - 19 Mar 2006 : 13:10:23
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Note this thread contains spoils from Paul Kemps latest novel and Sons of Thunder
After the Time of Troubles AO tied the gods powers to the number of worshipers they have.
Which brings me to Cyric
After the Time of Troubles Cyric had several prominient centres of Worship
Zhentil Keep and its satilite states
3 Temples in Amn
Mountain of Skulls
TWin towers of the eternal eclipse
The Dark Rebout
and Darkhold
As of the 1374 the following has happaned
Cyric has lost the Zhentil Keep and its satilites to Xvim/Bane
The Dark Redoubt has been destroyed by the Cyicists from the Eternal Eclipse
One of the Twin Towers of the Eclipse has been exterminated by Sojourner and Eric has hinted that the other one will be disappearing soon...
The Twin Towers of the Eclipse and the Moutain of Skulls are on opposing sides in the War in Amn
The Cyricists are loosing the battle for Darkhold (See City of Splendors)
and Llorkh which was ruled by a now deceased Divine Champion of Cyric lies in ruin thanks to the Uthgart Barbarians
Added to this it looks like Mask is likely to steal back the Intrigue portfolio from Cyric.
Anyone else get the feeling that Cyric is not long for this world?
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Skeptic
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1273 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2006 : 16:48:29
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Those who created him are no longer there... those who always hated him want him to be gone ? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 19 Mar 2006 : 17:42:03
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| As much as I dislike Cyric and would like to see him gone, he is an opportunistic git. I'd love to see him fall and fall hard, but I fear we're stuck with him for a long time. |
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nbnmare
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Mar 2006 : 17:45:42
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| Just like almost any FR deity, Cyric presumably has quite a few temples that haven't (yet) been mentioned in official lore. There are even a few others that have; for example, the Church of Cyric is still a major player in Thay, and there is the Dark God Reformed in Voonlar (http://www.candlekeep.com/library/articles/es/elminster_10.htm), and the House of Cyric in Skullport. |
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Murray Leeder
Forgotten Realms Author
Canada
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Posted - 19 Mar 2006 : 18:43:52
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Originally posted by Dargoth
and Llorkh which was ruled by a now deceased Divine Champion of Cyric lies in ruin thanks to the Uthgart Barbarians
Geildarr was an arcane devotee, not a divine champion, and "deceased" is a bit of an extrapolation...
Besides, it wasn't so long that Zhentil Keep stood in ruins and look how it bounced back? I don't think Llorkh will be allowed to stay shattered long considering how valuable it is as real estate. But I do take your point nonetheless, and probably Llorkh's reconstruction will see an increased presence for the church of Bane. |
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Snotlord
Senior Scribe
Norway
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Posted - 19 Mar 2006 : 18:56:27
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| I hope Cyric stays. I cant undo past mistakes by making new ones. And, past mistakes aside, he is a cool god. |
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 19 Mar 2006 : 21:58:32
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Given that his sobriquet is "The Dark Sun" I could see Cyric vying for the missing Dusk portfolio. I assume the key to unlocking this "lost" portfolio is somehow linked to the Crown of Horns which contains the last vestiges of the essence of Myrkul. (On a tangent, Myrkul might make for a good "vestige" by the way, as per the new Tome of Magic.)
Should Amaunator be reborn, or Lathander metamorphose into a new High Sun aspect, or a third party (such as Horus-Re) take up the missing Sun portfolio, then that would start the cycle that would lead to Lathander's death (or change), and the potential for the Dusk portfolio to vest in a new god (such as Cyric) who would certainly feel as if he has special claim to the Dusk portfolio.
I could even see Cyric trying to murder Lathander to hurry the cycle along. I could even see Cyric trying to assist in the rebirth of Amaunator.
Or given that Bane has inserted himself into Mulhorandi politics by aiding Messemprar to fend off Mulhorand, I could see Cyric worming his way into the good graces of Horus-Re by helping to defeat the baneites and conquer the last bastion of Unther. Cyric could then persuade Horus-Re to spread his message beyond the united borders of Mulhorand, convince him that Faerūn which lacks a sun god, is in need of Horus-Re's wisdom and leadership.
I could totally see Cyric backing Horus-Re behind the scenes to help him assume the mantle of the Sun God within the greater Faerūnian pantheon. Horus-Re also has the Rulership & Kings portfolios, which would probably bring him into conflict with Bane not simply because Bane has made an enemy of Horus-Re over Messemprar, but also because the Tyranny and Rulership/Kings portfolios are similar and thus likely to tread on each other's territories. And with Cyric manipulating everyone through an intricate web of lies, it could only heighten the conflict between Horus-Re and Bane... all to Cyric's benefit.
If Cyric could then somehow engineer the death of Lathander, then Horus-Re would become the sole solar god. Following that, if Cyric could get his hands on the Crown of Horns, he could take on the Dusk portfolio and become the new Lord of the End of All Things.
He might even try to win back the portfolio of the Dead from Kelemvor. Heck, I could even see Cyric going on a divine killing spree, trying to murder more gods to take their portfolios, increasing his own power.
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Kaladorm
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Mar 2006 : 22:14:55
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Thats the beauty of a god of intrigue.
You never know what he has planned :D |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 20 Mar 2006 : 02:09:49
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| I could imagine change in some of his portfolio. Perhaps lowering his status from a greater god, to an intermediate or lesser god. I don't feel that he would go away. Remember, after the time of troubles, Ao changed things up to where the god's status would be determined by the number of followers he or she had. This limited the followers being used as pawns or game pieces on the god/ godess's chess board so to speak. I don't recall them being measured by the number of temples, but logic would point to the more temples, the more followers. I do see struggle in his future, between not only Mystra, but Shar and Mask as well. It will be interesting to see if any changes occur in Paul Kemp's next trilogy. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Mar 2006 : 03:24:42
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Originally posted by Gray Richardson
Given that his sobriquet is "The Dark Sun" I could see Cyric vying for the missing Dusk portfolio. I assume the key to unlocking this "lost" portfolio is somehow linked to the Crown of Horns which contains the last vestiges of the essence of Myrkul. (On a tangent, Myrkul might make for a good "vestige" by the way, as per the new Tome of Magic.)
Should Amaunator be reborn, or Lathander metamorphose into a new High Sun aspect, or a third party (such as Horus-Re) take up the missing Sun portfolio, then that would start the cycle that would lead to Lathander's death (or change), and the potential for the Dusk portfolio to vest in a new god (such as Cyric) who would certainly feel as if he has special claim to the Dusk portfolio.
I could even see Cyric trying to murder Lathander to hurry the cycle along. I could even see Cyric trying to assist in the rebirth of Amaunator.
Or given that Bane has inserted himself into Mulhorandi politics by aiding Messemprar to fend off Mulhorand, I could see Cyric worming his way into the good graces of Horus-Re by helping to defeat the baneites and conquer the last bastion of Unther. Cyric could then persuade Horus-Re to spread his message beyond the united borders of Mulhorand, convince him that Faerūn which lacks a sun god, is in need of Horus-Re's wisdom and leadership.
I could totally see Cyric backing Horus-Re behind the scenes to help him assume the mantle of the Sun God within the greater Faerūnian pantheon. Horus-Re also has the Rulership & Kings portfolios, which would probably bring him into conflict with Bane not simply because Bane has made an enemy of Horus-Re over Messemprar, but also because the Tyranny and Rulership/Kings portfolios are similar and thus likely to tread on each other's territories. And with Cyric manipulating everyone through an intricate web of lies, it could only heighten the conflict between Horus-Re and Bane... all to Cyric's benefit.
If Cyric could then somehow engineer the death of Lathander, then Horus-Re would become the sole solar god. Following that, if Cyric could get his hands on the Crown of Horns, he could take on the Dusk portfolio and become the new Lord of the End of All Things.
He might even try to win back the portfolio of the Dead from Kelemvor. Heck, I could even see Cyric going on a divine killing spree, trying to murder more gods to take their portfolios, increasing his own power.
I see only big things for Cyric in the future.
Your dreaming Gray
First off Cyric doesnt have the best claim to the Dusk Portfolio Shar Goddess of the Night has a better claim (Dusk being the begining of Night)
Lathander is a greater power and hes not going to go down quietly like Leira did
Horus Re is Lawful Good I very much doubt he'd consort with the CE Cyric
If Horus Re did decide to move into th Faerunian pantheon it would likely led to the abolishment of the Mulhrondi pantheon Horus Re would be oppossed by the other Mulhorandi deities who'd all fear being destroyed or severely Weakened by the Faerunian gods whose portfolios they share
Horus Re by himself would have conflicts with Faerunian Deities: Bane (Tyranny), Lathander (The Sun/Dawn), Hoar (Vengence) Nobanion (Kings/Royalty), Siamorphe (Royalty) |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 20 Mar 2006 : 04:48:14
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| Isn't there some sort of an agreement between the pantheons, that they would not interfere with each others "areas" for a lack of a better word, unless there was some sort of grave reason to do so? |
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 20 Mar 2006 : 07:14:46
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Originally posted by DargothFirst off Cyric doesnt have the best claim to the Dusk Portfolio Shar Goddess of the Night has a better claim (Dusk being the begining of Night)
I would suggest that it would be near impossible for Shar to lay claim to the Dusk portfolio, as it is an aspect of the tripartite Solar deity/principle. Shar was not involved in the creation of the Sun. Everything about the Sun is antithetical to Shar. However, I suggest that Cyric may feel that he has the best claim to Dusk as Dusk last belonged to Myrkul, and Cyric got all of Myrkul's other portfolios. It is curious that he did not get Dusk when the other portfolios passed to him. I assume Dusk is still locked within the Crown of Horns somehow. Or perhaps that it is lying fallow for some reason tied to the nature of the cycles of the incarnations of the Sun. Other contenders for Dusk might be Kelemvor or even Jergal (should he want it back).
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Originally posted by DargothLathander is a greater power and hes not going to go down quietly like Leira did
True, but last I checked, Cyric was also a greater power, and in fact tied with Lathander in divine rank, both having DVR 17. Cyric is thus an equal match for Lathander. With Murder and Lies and Intrigue on his side, Cyric may have a slight advantage over Lathander, as Lathander's optimism, impetuous and grandiose thinking might make him overconfident and rash to act, which could lead him to fall victim to Cyric's traps if he is not extra careful.
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Originally posted by DargothHorus Re is Lawful Good I very much doubt he'd consort with the CE Cyric
Well, I was thinking more along the lines of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"... Horus-Re is lawful to a fault, and should Cyric seek a truce with him for the purpose of defeating Bane and Messemprar and bringing it under the lawful rule of Mulhorand, I think it possible that Cyric could form at least a temporary alliance with Horus-Re.
Especially if Cyric followed the protocols and finer points of Mulhorandi Pantheon law and tradtion in the way he goes about it all. As hidebound as Horus-Re is, he would have to at least entertain an audience with Cyric should Cyric seek one and follow all the formalities.
I could also see Cyric forming an alliance of convenience with Set (secret of course) wherein Set assists Cyric with entangling himself in the affairs of the Mulhorandi pantheon, counseling him as to the laws and hoops he must jump through to achieve his aims.
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Originally posted by DargothIf Horus Re did decide to move into th Faerunian pantheon it would likely led to the abolishment of the Mulhrondi pantheon Horus Re would be oppossed by the other Mulhorandi deities who'd all fear being destroyed or severely Weakened by the Faerunian gods whose portfolios they share
Good point, but Horus-Re is their pharaoh, and if he orders it they must obey. If he gets them all pumped up, they may even think that they are the ones who will come out on top. If Cyric helps fill their heads with lies and illusory promises, it might go far towards convincing them that Mulhorand should expand its empire even further, and that the clergy of the Mulhorandi must go out into the rest of Faerūn and proselytize, spreading the message and faith of the Mulhorandi pantheon.
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Originally posted by DargothHorus Re by himself would have conflicts with Faerunian Deities: Bane (Tyranny), Lathander (The Sun/Dawn), Hoar (Vengence) Nobanion (Kings/Royalty), Siamorphe (Royalty)
No argument here. Bane and him are already in conflict over Unther. Lathander would not be a direct conflict, as their portfolios don't directly overlap (Lathander has Dawn, not the Sun, and Horus-Re has Sun not Dawn) and if I remember they are friendly or at least cordial (for now). Hoar was once Assuran, an Untheric god, so Horus-Re and him already have history. I would think that Horus-Re would easily swat Hoar down if it came to a direct conflict. Nobanion and Siamorphe are both demigods in rank, so they could be allowed to share portfolios with Horus-Re if they swore allegiance to him. As they are no real threat to Horus-Re, he could leave them alone for probably a few centuries without that conflict coming to a head. Neither one presents a real challenge to him.
All in all, I am not saying Cyric will end up doing anything that I suggest, but I was trying to make the case that not only could he do it, but it would be a logical path for him to take.
Cyric's a tricky fellow and it would be dangerous to underestimate him. Now that he has recently been relieved (somewhat) of his insanity, he may be able to form more cogent and subtle plans for his ultimate dominion of the cosmos. |
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