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Paj
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 Posted - 27 Mar 2006 : 14:17:03
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Lo all,
I posted a similar topic to this on the WOTC boards a while ago, where I got answers from Shemeska and Gray Richardson.
I was also advised to post here as well. So, here goes  :
In my current Campaign the PC's are currently gathering information on the Yugoloths for Belial and Fierna , and they want to double-cross the Lords of Phlegethos by letting the Oinoloth know about it.
And therein lies the rub!: The Oinoloth resides in the Khin-Oin, which is located on the Gray Wastes of Hades...
Now both my players and I stick to 'canon' FR lore as much as possible and according to said Lore, Yugoloths hail from the Barrens of Doom and Despair, so..what about the Oinoloth and the Khin-Oin? For that matter what about the Crawling City of Gehenna which houses the General of the Yugoloths and the tower being built in Carceri?
I guess what im really asking is if there has been any official mention of the Yugoloth Hierarchy/towers in FR or if all thats been detailed is where they originate from in the FR cosmology. Likewise for the Demodands/Gehreleths.
I guess I could always just 'transplant' the city/towers into the Barrens or other planes if necessary, but id rather take canon lore over any 'quick-fixes' I could do.
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Mar 2006 : 17:39:38
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There really isn't any lore in current canon about those towers since the cosmology retcon.
The only two places I can think to look is the FRCS and the Player's Guide to Faerun but I don't recall much lore about Yugoloth's in those sourcebooks.
So basically, there really isn't any canon lore about if those towers exist in FR's new planes. :) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 27 Mar 2006 : 18:18:11
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| I believe they were mentioned in one of Gray's planar articles in an earlier edition of the Candlekeep Compendium (see Kuje's or my sigs). But, if I remember correctly, it was only a passing reference, and nothing overly informative. |
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
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Posted - 28 Mar 2006 : 00:57:11
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I believe they were mentioned in one of Gray's planar articles in an earlier edition of the Candlekeep Compendium (see Kuje's or my sigs). But, if I remember correctly, it was only a passing reference, and nothing overly informative.
What about the first chapter of the novel Resurrection? (Honestly can't remember.) It was posted on the Wizards website here:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/frnovel/177260000
(Look at the sample chapter in PDF form URL.)
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 28 Mar 2006 : 01:17:32
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I believe they were mentioned in one of Gray's planar articles in an earlier edition of the Candlekeep Compendium (see Kuje's or my sigs). But, if I remember correctly, it was only a passing reference, and nothing overly informative.
What about the first chapter of the novel Resurrection? (Honestly can't remember.) It was posted on the Wizards website here:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/frnovel/177260000
(Look at the sample chapter in PDF form URL.)
--Eric
I've not read any of those books yet. I was waiting for the entire series to be out in paperback; now I just need to get to them.  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 28 Mar 2006 : 01:41:54
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Originally posted by Kuje
There really isn't any lore in current canon about those towers since the cosmology retcon.
The only two places I can think to look is the FRCS and the Player's Guide to Faerun but I don't recall much lore about Yugoloth's in those sourcebooks.
So basically, there really isn't any canon lore about if those towers exist in FR's new planes. :)
Aye...
There's still plenty to be covered concerning the individual outer planes that comprise the new Great Tree cosmology. As such... such detailed regions in 2e as Khin-Oin and other locales of 'loth importance have yet to be properly placed or referenced in 3e FR.
As it is... at this point, I would simply use what we already know about the Crawling City and Khin-Oin in the various PLANESCAPE products and adapt it for use on the planes on the Great Tree most connected with the Gray Waste and Gehenna.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 28 Mar 2006 : 01:45:00
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Also, as I recall, ripvanwormer and myself worked on an alternate theory for the Crawling City early last year on the RoE boards. We didn't specifically cover the City as it would be in other settings (we mostly redefined its place in a 3e PS setting) but the backstory we wrote is mysterious enough to perhaps provide you with some ideas about how you can place the Crawling City in 3e FR.
I'll dig out the old RoE forum archives and find the thread...
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Paj
Seeker
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Posted - 30 Mar 2006 : 09:32:39
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Reading the example chapter that Eric L Boyd pointed me to, it seems that the Blood Rift is home to the Oinoloth and therefore it would make sense to place the Khin Oin there, Its most likely the place where Kexxon the Oinoloth lives. (Does Resurrection or any other known sources detail this Kexxon guy? As far as I know, the current Oinoloth as of Planescape was named Mydianchlarus. Is Kexxon a new Oinoloth? Or just an alternate name for Mydianchlarus?)
Personally, I would have placed the Khin-Oin on the Barrens of Doom and Despair (the plane which sounds and seems most similar to the Gray Wastes) and the Tower of Arcanoloths in the Blood Rift. As for placing Apomps and his Demodands....not a clue, any ideas which plane would resemble Carceri in the new FR Planar Cosmology? Or, based on the fact that new planes can and have been added to the current layout (Limbo for one) could we just add Carceri in as one of the 'Lower Planes'?
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Mar 2006 : 17:44:03
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Originally posted by Paj
Reading the example chapter that Eric L Boyd pointed me to, it seems that the Blood Rift is home to the Oinoloth and therefore it would make sense to place the Khin Oin there, Its most likely the place where Kexxon the Oinoloth lives. (Does Resurrection or any other known sources detail this Kexxon guy? As far as I know, the current Oinoloth as of Planescape was named Mydianchlarus. Is Kexxon a new Oinoloth? Or just an alternate name for Mydianchlarus?)
Personally, I would have placed the Khin-Oin on the Barrens of Doom and Despair (the plane which sounds and seems most similar to the Gray Wastes) and the Tower of Arcanoloths in the Blood Rift. As for placing Apomps and his Demodands....not a clue, any ideas which plane would resemble Carceri in the new FR Planar Cosmology? Or, based on the fact that new planes can and have been added to the current layout (Limbo for one) could we just add Carceri in as one of the 'Lower Planes'?
Well, I discussed the Limbo reference with Ed and he told me that it's actually the Limbo of the Wheel/Ring and so it doesn't exist in the Tree, per say. |
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Paj
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Posted - 30 Mar 2006 : 23:24:36
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Kuje, you mean that the Limbo referenced in that sourcebook (cant for the life of me remember which sourcebook) is an error?
Or, that it is not a plane added to the Tree of FR but in fact a direct reference to the Limbo of the Great Wheel? And that in visiting that referenced limbo you are actually entering the Greyhawk setting?
I also now have the full WotSQ, I just need time to read them...Hmm, you think I could get away with phoning in dead for work for the next two or three days?
Maybe I should post a similar message in one of the ask the designer threads, any idea which one would be best for my stuff on the Planes/Yugoloths et. al.? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Mar 2006 : 23:34:15
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quote:
Originally posted by Paj
Or, that it is not a plane added to the Tree of FR but in fact a direct reference to the Limbo of the Great Wheel? And that in visiting that referenced limbo you are actually entering the Greyhawk setting?
It's this one, from what Ed said to me. :) |
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