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RodOdom
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 Posted - 16 May 2006 : 19:34:47
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Both races are basically "elves gone bad". What personality differences do these guys have?
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Zanan
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Posted - 16 May 2006 : 22:15:51
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Drow are a variant sort of elf, just like sun, wood, sea, wild or whatever elves. A subrace.
The Daemonfey consist either of true sun-elven half-fiends (Sarya Dlardrageth) or fey'ri. The latter are more numerous and are, in essence, sun elven "tieflings/aasimar". They usually descent from matings of elves and succubi/incubi ... some generations inbetween. |
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RodOdom
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Posted - 16 May 2006 : 22:19:56
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| Thanks for the answer. But what I am trying to understand is how their personalities are different. |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 16 May 2006 : 22:45:07
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| Each individual will have their own personality, I suspect you are more interested in cultural differences. As both are generally considered evil they have that in common, but even evil people rarely consider themselves evil. The differences in large part come from their blood and their history. |
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Kaladorm
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 16 May 2006 : 23:01:21
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I personally believe that the Daemonfey are a little more inclined to working together, probably due to most of their imprisonment, but I think they see themselves as more of a 'unit'. I.e. they commit evil acts but work as a team and look out for each other. This is especially apparent in the way Sarya throws away demon and ogre (and other conscripts) lives, but becomes very protective of sending her Daemonfey into combat. Although this could be because they are small in number and elite troops, and she is thinking purely tactically.
The Drow on the other hand seem a lot less inclined to working together, their society is a lot more inwardly destructive rather than outwardly.
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Zanan
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Posted - 17 May 2006 : 08:58:13
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The Drow on the other hand seem a lot less inclined to working together, their society is a lot more inwardly destructive rather than outwardly.
At least from what we know about the Lolthite places. One may say that the Vhaeraunian settlements are less inwardly destructive. Then again, we know precious little about them or, e.g. the Kiaransaleens.
As for Sarya, she is looking after the fey'ri because their numbers are limited. One wonders what she would do if she had more. BTW, drow leaders don't throw away the lives of their troops that easily either, as their numbers are limited too. |
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Shadovar
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Posted - 17 May 2006 : 09:39:26
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Originally posted by RodOdom
Both races are basically "elves gone bad". What personality differences do these guys have?
The daemonfey are more careful and thinkers especially when their numbers and powers are their greatest asset and Countess Sarya see her fey'ri and daemonfey as temporary precious assets but in the future when the daemonfey are more influential, she might treat her own kindred as expendable. The fey'ri seemed to exhibit a fair level of loyalty to their daemonfey masters and the daemonfey seemed to win the loyalty and respect of their own kind through fighting the elves in victorious duels and pillaging for weapons and such etc. Besides that, daemonfey seem to show more common sense and often plan well first than reckless action or arrogance. Also, the daemonfey seemed very well-balanced in planning frontal assault and stealthy assault.
The drow seem to use intimidation and fear to win loyalty and respect to an extent from their lessers. They regard their own kindred as expendable assets despite being valuable in a way unlike the daemonfey. The drow especially the higher ranking ones are more arrogant and less inclined to listen from the lessers unlike Sarya who listens to her advisors, but drow are more towards reckless action without a bit of common sense at occasional times. They do favor tactics that are stealthy that don't risk the House reputation and existence unless necessary and when the benefits equal or higher than the risks. |
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darkflame millithor
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Posted - 17 May 2006 : 22:53:45
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I submit that even Sarya says that she really doesn't care about her demonfey or the feyi.(She is half-tanari after all!) But she conserves them because they are limited in number. The Demon-fey are just as arrogant as the normal gold elves tend to be.Or drow for that matter.
I also submit what a fellow poster reminded me.-
Drow are powermongers,with the power to back up their plots,but they are too chaotic and directionless to know what to do with it.They want power for power's sake. The demon-fey are powerful to but they still carry the one trait that seperates the golds from the drow..They know why they want the power ,they have direction and goals. I beleive this is the reason the drow were not able to crush the golds in the crownwars! They had the power to but not the cohesion. The demonfey are what the drow should (could have been ). |
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Kiaransalyn
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Posted - 31 Jul 2006 : 18:53:08
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Originally posted by RodOdom
What personality differences do these guys have?
I would say the drow are a lot more paranoid. A drow is a lot less likely to look you in the eye because they're constantly looking for the next sign of trouble.
The demonfey spent a long time imprisoned and were therefore a little naive. There was much less infighting with the demonfey and they acted more cohesively. |
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Kiaransalyn
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Posted - 31 Jul 2006 : 18:54:42
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Originally posted by ZananBTW, drow leaders don't throw away the lives of their troops that easily either, as their numbers are limited too.
Very true, in battle they send in their orcs and goblins first. |
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Wandering_mage
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Posted - 31 Jul 2006 : 19:05:25
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The easy part is knowing the Drow and their ways. There are tons of books out on this. As to the Fey'ri there is a lot of freedom in different personalities of each one but because of the small numbers and the fact that there are only like 3 books written that talk about them in great length. However in the Realms of Elves book there was an interesting Fey'ri twist. I won't spoil it though.  Actually I hope I didn't spoil it by mentioning it.  I would say that if you are RP'ing a Fey'ri before or after the Final Gate series then you have a lot of freedom concerning your cultural structure although I would suggest maybe a LE outlook with a haughty sprinkle of arrogance and a devestating will to complete one's goals. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 02 Aug 2006 : 00:36:45
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As to the Fey'ri there is a lot of freedom in different personalities of each one but because of the small numbers and the fact that there are only like 3 books written that talk about them in great length.
And I certainly would not recommend those books (the Last Mythal series) for use as any kind of guide regarding character personality. |
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Kalin Agrivar
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Posted - 02 Aug 2006 : 14:57:21
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I think the drow personbality has been pretty fleshed out...
I think the Fey'ri personality depends on how much their demonic blood affects their thinking process...I'd imagine take the worst personality traits of a sun elf and add a touch of tanar'ri insanity plus some archaic beliefs as the overwhelming majority of the Fey'ri are/were of Sarya's corrupted Silvaneude (sp?) families that were imprisoned milennia ago
and it goes without saying there are the "renegade" fey'ri...like there are renegade drow
and I thank God so far there hasn't been an asimar (sp?)/elf race suddenly appear from the mists of history to twin the tiefling/elf race (like they did with Shade and that lost Selune city  ) |
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Foxhelm
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Posted - 02 Aug 2006 : 18:20:47
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Originally posted by kalin agrivar
and I thank God so far there hasn't been an asimar (sp?)/elf race suddenly appear from the mists of history to twin the tiefling/elf race (like they did with Shade and that lost Selune city )
Other than Sean K Renyolds Eladrin/Elf hybreds that are the counter part to the Fey'ri, right? |
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Kalin Agrivar
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Posted - 02 Aug 2006 : 18:30:14
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Originally posted by Foxhelm
Other than Sean K Renyolds Eladrin/Elf hybreds that are the counter part to the Fey'ri, right?
yeah, I forgot about that...I consider him almost one-of--kind...not a new race...I hope |
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Foxhelm
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Posted - 02 Aug 2006 : 18:53:25
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| You're thinking Araevin by Richard Baker. Sean K Reynolds created a Eladrin/Elf crossbred for fans that is a counterpart for Fey'ri and can be used as a hidden race of Elven Aasimar. |
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Kalin Agrivar
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Posted - 02 Aug 2006 : 19:02:11
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Originally posted by Foxhelm
You're thinking Araevin by Richard Baker. Sean K Reynolds created a Eladrin/Elf crossbred for fans that is a counterpart for Fey'ri and can be used as a hidden race of Elven Aasimar.
really? is that published canon or an internet add-on? |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 02 Aug 2006 : 20:13:51
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Originally posted by kalin agrivar
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Originally posted by Foxhelm
You're thinking Araevin by Richard Baker. Sean K Reynolds created a Eladrin/Elf crossbred for fans that is a counterpart for Fey'ri and can be used as a hidden race of Elven Aasimar.
really? is that published canon or an internet add-on?
I believe it's non-canon. You can check it out on his website: The Surinquessir (Eladree). |
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Kalin Agrivar
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Posted - 02 Aug 2006 : 20:28:23
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[i]Originally posted by Wooly Rupert[/i
I believe it's non-canon. You can check it out on his website: The Surinquessir (Eladree).
thanks 
I'm not a big fan of "counterpart" symmetry, it usually ends up looking kinda cheesy...like good draconions made from evil dragon eggs or if there is dark elf/elf and gray dwarf/dwarf there has to be an evil gnome and halfling race (ahem, the Jerren)...to me it's a really lazy way of keeping the balance between good guys and bad guys...
When I was a newbie I was into "counterpart" symmetry until I learned it is more satisfactory to counter balance a force and equal but different force...
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GothicDan
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Posted - 02 Aug 2006 : 20:51:34
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Very good observation, Kalin! I agree!
And SKR's Eladree never felt very Realmsian to me, either. No tie-ins with lore at all (yes, that's what I look for when I look at a new race/PrC, not abilities or stat modifiers), and the fact that they were originally a group of almost total Hanali worshippers (I believe)... Which doesn't happen since Elven society is highly polytheistic. |
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Winterfox
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Posted - 02 Aug 2006 : 21:05:28
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
And I certainly would not recommend those books (the Last Mythal series) for use as any kind of guide regarding character personality.
Well, unless you're trying to play or write a golem, an android, or any other kind of automaton. In that case, it's near-perfect.
To the original question: the short and facetious answer is that both drow and fey'ri are glamourously evil, pretty elven spin-offs. The longer and not-so-facetious answer is that drow are more fleshed out and the fey'ri are, at the moment, evil elves who are more generic than drow and have wings. |
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GothicDan
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Posted - 02 Aug 2006 : 21:46:39
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Akukakk
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Posted - 04 Aug 2006 : 21:53:30
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drow also want to kill the other elven races. while deamonfey/feyri what to bring back arvandaar (if i remember correctly) w/ sun elves ruling everything again. so they would tolerate wood and moon elves, but only as long as they were subserviant.
just adding to what was alrdy said. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 01:33:18
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Originally posted by Akukakk
drow also want to kill the other elven races. while deamonfey/feyri what to bring back arvandaar (if i remember correctly) w/ sun elves ruling everything again. so they would tolerate wood and moon elves, but only as long as they were subserviant.
Well, going by the portrayal of Sarya in the Last Mythal books (not that I liked them very much, but it's still lore), Sarya had no problem with gold elves being her subjects, but she would have gladly gotten rid of the other, "lesser" races of elves. |
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GothicDan
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Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 01:51:17
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| Which is funny, because even the 'evil' Sun Elves still thought that it was only proper that they rule over all Elves. After all, one must have minions and underlings to rule over. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 01:52:35
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Which is funny, because even the 'evil' Sun Elves still thought that it was only proper that they rule over all Elves. After all, one must have minions and underlings to rule over.
*shrugs* I guess Sarya thought gold elves were enough for her. |
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GothicDan
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Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 02:07:49
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| Talk about dissension. |
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