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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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 Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 04:20:35
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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This is ironic as the Moonstars do believe "the means justify the end" and will get their hands dirty “with evil” and will commit immoral acts for the greater good...
Not all Moonstars act the same way, necessarily. They are still individuals.
But still, their reputation would be kind of darkened that eventually it would make them no different from the other shady dark organizations.
What reputation? The Moonstars aren't really known about, beyond the Harpers and the Moonstars themselves. And with the way the Moonstars are structured, I'm thinking most of the Moonstars themselves won't know what other Moonstars are doing. Khelben calls the shots, and he's known for playing his cards close to his vest... |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 04:30:07
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 06:07:10
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Shadovar
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by kalin agrivar
This is ironic as the Moonstars do believe "the means justify the end" and will get their hands dirty “with evil” and will commit immoral acts for the greater good...
Not all Moonstars act the same way, necessarily. They are still individuals.
But still, their reputation would be kind of darkened that eventually it would make them no different from the other shady dark organizations.
What reputation? The Moonstars aren't really known about, beyond the Harpers and the Moonstars themselves. And with the way the Moonstars are structured, I'm thinking most of the Moonstars themselves won't know what other Moonstars are doing. Khelben calls the shots, and he's known for playing his cards close to his vest...
Indeed.
Such a strategy gives Khelben a considerable amount of freedom in utilising the Moonstars. As well, it maintains that all his enemies, and by extension, those of the Moonstars, are always kept a few steps behind his plans because they've got so many Moonstar directions to follow.
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Dhomal
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 06:12:41
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Basically, Steven Schend intended to generate a specific religious focus for the Zhentarim through the Manshoon Wars. This was why they originally became worshippers of Xvim. In addition, Steven wanted to make Manshoon an unknown element within the general plot running through the Realmslore. Each "Manshoon" would be discreetly dropped into future FR accessories, giving DMs wider choices with regard to how to plan and play the overall effects and results, of Manshoon and his clones, upon the Realms. That is why we originally learned that there were so many (at least forty) clones now scouting around Faerun looking to make places for themselves.
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Thanks for the word on that Sage, makes lots of sense. The Zhentarim being somewhat divided between Manshoon and Fzoul always seemed to me as a partial reason they were n ot doing better in their plans - as they Both seemed to have their own plans.
I will have to go re-read parts of C&D to get a better feel for what is listed there. Any other main sources?
I kinda like the idea in general - maybe I wont have the 'all but three' clause in my campaign. :) |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 06:55:43
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C&D is really the only source that provides a good basis for the set-up of the Manshoon Wars. And since it has never been properly followed up, except for us being told how many clones still remain in 3e (officially there are three but Ed has said there are likely to be more we still don't know about), there hasn't been much on it from that point on.
I'd also suggest you read through Steven's many replies on the subject here at Candlekeep.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 07:09:33
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I kinda like the idea in general - maybe I wont have the 'all but three' clause in my campaign. :)
Like I said, the bit about becoming something other than a "living Manshoon clone" provides a nice out. I saw someone on the WotC forums that used that idea for an NPC. His Manshoon clone ran afoul of a girdle of masculinity/femininity, and a helm of opposite alignment -- making his Manshoon a good-aligned lady mage.
Also, we know some clones fled the Realms altogether. They could be on other parts of Toril, somewhere in space, or somewhere on the planes... |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 15 Jul 2006 : 00:17:30
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This Manshoon Wars thing sounds like it's straight out a comic book. I'm not saying that's good or bad, just kind of weird.
Then again, a lot of stuff in the Realms is a bit weird.  |
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The Sage
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Posted - 15 Jul 2006 : 01:18:26
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I love the Manshoon Wars concept. In fact, on the tidbits Steven's provided here... I've carried on the Wars in my own campaigns, somewhat. Including the official three, at this point in my campaign... only two are aware that there is another being claiming to be Manshoon -- one in Thay, and the other is presently moving through the circles of Baldur's Gate criminal underworld. Another, as I've described previously in Steven's scroll, is somewhere in Realmspace, and the other is still on Krynn.
I know Steven's a comic fan, and I've always felt that the whole concept resembles, slightly, the second Dr. Doom Doombot saga when several of Doom's robot impersonators secretly activated and engaged in warfare against each other to demonstrate they were the true "Dr. Doom."
It's truly a shame this whole saga was never further developed.
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Harper Agent vs Moonstar Agent
