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IlexGarodan
Acolyte
Canada
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 Posted - 28 Jul 2006 : 02:23:10
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Hello all! IlexGarodan here with an odd question.
My campaign in the Forgotten Realms seems to be a real hit with the players! They're enjoying it, and, in turn, I'm happy that they're enjoying it. Truly a campaign setting worthy of countless updates!
But that's not why I am here.
My players want to explore the rest of Toril. They don't want to be confined just to Faerûn. Problem is, none of the 3rd Edition rulebooks have any mention of Kara-Tur, Zakhara, or Maztica anywhere. Is it possible to use 2nd Edition AD&D campaign settings just for the geography of the continents?
Thank you for everything!
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Jul 2006 : 02:46:33
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Sure why not? You could also use the 1e/2e material about the other continents since most of it hasn't been changed much. Um, Maztica was updated in Lands of Intrigue box set. (Wooly, link please. :) You do it so well, we leave it for you!)
The Hordelands does have a upcoming article in Dragon and there are a few 3/3.5e Dragon articles about the other continents. Issue #315 and #321. 321 has some zakhara prestige classes. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 28 Jul 2006 : 02:46:47
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Yes, it is.
Since we've had so little expansion of the add-ons in 3e FR -- WotC wants to specifically concentrate on Faerun -- most, if not all of the geography and lore relating to those far regions are *mostly* still applicable for your 3e FR campaigns. There's been some notes as to changes here and there, and extra facts we hadn't known -- about Kara-Tur in particular. The novel The Yellow Silk provides some new tidbits on parts of Kara-Tur in 3e FR.
As for political aspects and economic trends and the like for the add-ons... that's actually a little more difficult since the expansions haven't received much updating beyond material in 2e FR sourcebooks printed after the initial campaign expansions were released. For the most part, you can probably work through on your own and plot new elements for these in your own games, paying attention to any slight mentions for Kara-Tur and/or Maztica that have been made in relevant 3e FR sourcebooks -- like the Unapproachable East for example, or the FRCS and the Silver Marches.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 28 Jul 2006 : 04:04:55
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Originally posted by Kuje
(Wooly, link please. :) You do it so well, we leave it for you!)
This link? The Wizards downloads page. 
Keep in mind one simple rule, Ilex: if nothing in 3E has superseded specific lore from 1E or 2E, then it's still valid. Sure, you may have to do some conversion of stuff (the 2E to 3E book can help with this), but the lore -- and maps! -- remains valid.
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Na-Gang
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Jul 2006 : 11:24:50
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| Oh sure. I'm snapping up all kinds of 2e stuff off eBay for the geography, history, and culture of regions not so well, or as elaborately covered in 3e, specifically Calimshan, the Vilhon Reach and the Old Empires. |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
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Posted - 28 Jul 2006 : 14:20:16
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| The old material is just fine to use as a second or additional source! I used them and e.g. the Oriental adventure as guidance for special character classes, weapons, ect. in Kara-Tur. Sometimes, if you are lucky you find references in the MM's as where some monsters originate from (e.g. Stingers from Matzica in Monster of Faerun). You might want to check on the Creature Catalogue (http://www.enworld.org/cc/index.php) for convertions of monsters from old sourcebooks. |
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Varl
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 29 Jul 2006 : 03:59:38
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...or one could simply remain with the 2e Realms and avoid all the time and effort converting.  |
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IlexGarodan
Acolyte
Canada
26 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 01:51:27
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Excellent! Thank you, all!
I have laid eyes on an AD&Dv1 Oriental Adventure campaign setting that I will probably buy this Thursday or Friday. I checked the book over, but was kind of disappointed since there was no map of Kara-Tur.
Does anybody know where I can get a map of Kara-Tur? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 01:59:48
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Originally posted by IlexGarodan
Excellent! Thank you, all!
I have laid eyes on an AD&Dv1 Oriental Adventure campaign setting that I will probably buy this Thursday or Friday. I checked the book over, but was kind of disappointed since there was no map of Kara-Tur.
Does anybody know where I can get a map of Kara-Tur?
Kara-tur box set. :) |
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IlexGarodan
Acolyte
Canada
26 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 02:20:21
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 Not funny, Kuje. I'm looking for a map that won't cost any extra money. I'm short on cash as is. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 02:21:19
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by IlexGarodan
Excellent! Thank you, all!
I have laid eyes on an AD&Dv1 Oriental Adventure campaign setting that I will probably buy this Thursday or Friday. I checked the book over, but was kind of disappointed since there was no map of Kara-Tur.
Does anybody know where I can get a map of Kara-Tur?
Kara-tur box set. :)
There's also a website (you can find the link on the old Bioware site) that presents maps for Kara-Tur redrawn from the boxed set by several fans who've based their campaigns there. Aside from the few home campaign add ins... the maps match up with canon (2e) Kara-Tur material.
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EvilKnight
Learned Scribe
USA
162 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 02:22:32
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There is also a 2nd Edition Kara-Tur Trail Map (TM5 9402). I do not know how easy it is to find anymore.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 02:23:40
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Originally posted by IlexGarodan
Not funny, Kuje. I'm looking for a map that won't cost any extra money. I'm short on cash as is.
Ah, but we did not know that, did we. 
The PDF of the Kara-Tur boxed is only $4US -- from paizo.com. So long as you've got a credit card, or can borrow either your friend's or your parents (and that they don't mind), you should be able to purchase and download a copy.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 02:25:31
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Originally posted by EvilKnight
There is also a 2nd Edition Kara-Tur Trail Map (TM5 9402). I do not know how easy it is to find anymore.
EvilKnight
It does pop up on Ebay occasionally. Though I don't check often.
Wooly's mentioned it once or twice, so I imagine it happens fairly regularly.
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IlexGarodan
Acolyte
Canada
26 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 02:36:55
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There's also a website (you can find the link on the old Bioware site) that presents maps for Kara-Tur redrawn from the boxed set by several fans who've based their campaigns there. Aside from the few home campaign add ins... the maps match up with canon (2e) Kara-Tur material.
What is the URL to Bioware's old site? |
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EvilKnight
Learned Scribe
USA
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 03:06:27
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by IlexGarodan
Not funny, Kuje. I'm looking for a map that won't cost any extra money. I'm short on cash as is.
Ah, but we did not know that, did we.
The PDF of the Kara-Tur boxed is only $4US -- from paizo.com. So long as you've got a credit card, or can borrow either your friend's or your parents (and that they don't mind), you should be able to purchase and download a copy.
Well excuse me. As Sage said, we didn't know that. You asked a question, and you got an answer. It just wasn't the answer you wanted, evidently. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 03:09:12
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Originally posted by IlexGarodan
Not funny, Kuje. I'm looking for a map that won't cost any extra money. I'm short on cash as is.
It'd probably be fair to warn you, then, that if you are looking for a plethora of information contained in out-of-print products, odds are you'll have to plunk down cash for it somewhere along the way. So save your money. |
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Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 06 Aug 2006 03:09:31 |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 03:33:25
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Originally posted by IlexGarodan
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There's also a website (you can find the link on the old Bioware site) that presents maps for Kara-Tur redrawn from the boxed set by several fans who've based their campaigns there. Aside from the few home campaign add ins... the maps match up with canon (2e) Kara-Tur material.
What is the URL to Bioware's old site?
I'll have to take a look through my bookmarks. I'm at the library at the moment, and don't have access to my URL files.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 03:35:08
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
quote:
Originally posted by IlexGarodan
Not funny, Kuje. I'm looking for a map that won't cost any extra money. I'm short on cash as is.
It'd probably be fair to warn you, then, that if you are looking for a plethora of information contained in out-of-print products, odds are you'll have to plunk down cash for it somewhere along the way. So save your money.
That's always a good thing to remember, especially when talking about a setting with a near 20-year published history like the Realms.
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Mazrim_Taim
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 09:24:40
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| Sometimes you can steal a deal though. Just today I got the Daggerdale Adventure Trilogy for about 15 dollars (near mint condition). |
And if the PCs DO win their ways through all the liches to Larloch, “he” will almost certainly be just another lich (loaded with explosive spells) set up as a decoy, with dozens of hidden liches waiting to pounce on any surviving PCs who ‘celebrate’ after they take Larloch down. As the REAL Larloch watches (magical scrying) from afar. Myself, as DM, I’d be wondering: “Such a glorious game, so many opportunities laid out before your PCs to devote your time to, and THIS fixation is the best you can come up with? Are you SURE you’re adventurers?” -Ed Greenwood
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IlexGarodan
Acolyte
Canada
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Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 17:18:35
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Originally posted by Mazrim_Taim
Sometimes you can steal a deal though. Just today I got the Daggerdale Adventure Trilogy for about 15 dollars (near mint condition).
I'll keep that in mind, Mazrim. |
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