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Aes Tryl
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 14:29:20
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Hello, sorry to bother the sages of candlekeep, but there is a slight contradiction i wish to resolve. Kaanyr Vhok is listed as a fighter 16/sorceror 6 in Power of Faerun but in the other sourcebooks, the only one which i can remember of the top of my head being the Underdark, he's listed as a fighter 7/rogue 2/wizard 6. Which is the correct or more up to date version?
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Edited by - Aes Tryl on 05 Aug 2006 14:31:58
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Aes Tryl
Learned Scribe
181 Posts |
Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 15:13:58
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| retcon sorry? And its kinda weird cos his wizard lvls are now sorceror. . . and he's totally lost his rogue lvls. Hmm but yeah since its a newer book, i'll have to deal with that. Darn my DM was gonna pit us against the Scourged Legion, well looks like we can forget about that. . . lvl 15 is kinda far from lvl 22. Stupid War of The Spider Queen. . . |
Edited by - Aes Tryl on 05 Aug 2006 15:19:00 |
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Trace_Coburn
Learned Scribe
New Zealand
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Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 15:42:44
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Originally posted by Aes Tryl
retcon sorry? And its kinda weird cos his wizard lvls are now sorceror. . . and he's totally lost his rogue lvls. Hmm but yeah since its a newer book, i'll have to deal with that. Darn my DM was gonna pit us against the Scourged Legion, well looks like we can forget about that. . . lvl 15 is kinda far from lvl 22. Stupid War of The Spider Queen. . .
Retcon = retroactive continuity - a correction that says "this is how it is and how it always was - there was never a different version out there. I don't care if you're staring right at the entry in the old sourcebook that gives those stats: they never existed - these new ones are the ones you use, dammit!" 
And personally, I think sorcerer levels are a little more fitting for a tiefling like Vhok, but YMMV. [shrug] |
D&D collection: Player's Handbook, Dungeon Master's Guide, Monster Manual I, Complete Arcane, Arms & Equipment Guide.
FR sourcebook collection: Dragons of Faerūn, Faiths & Pantheons, FRCS, Lords of Darkness, Monsters of Faerūn, Player's Guide to Faerūn, Power of Faerūn, Races of Faerūn, Silver Marches.
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Aes Tryl
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 15:54:30
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| Haha, yep guess thats that. I'll remember to put it to my DM in a euphemistic fashion and then we can go onto Sarya. . . oops i almost forgot she was conveniently destroyed too. Hmm but i thought those rogue lvls did fit him and his role as a devious, scheming half-fiend and it gave him some pretty nifty tricks too, evasion and what not. ah well its the NEW STATS DAMMIT( slaps himself to remember) and many thanks, i dont really have the hang of the jargon yet |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 16:54:02
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Plus,
there was no sorcerer core class in 2e, so they had to use wizard for his arcane magic levels. Before someone comments, yes I know there was a sorcerer kit in Zakhara material but that's not the same as a core base class. :) |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 22:14:06
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Before someone comments, yes I know there was a sorcerer kit in Zakhara material but that's not the same as a core base class. :)
Haha, I wonder if anyone else would have actually commented on that, Kuje. ;) Well, Old Sage, maybe... |
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 23:37:39
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Originally posted by Kuje
Plus,
there was no sorcerer core class in 2e, so they had to use wizard for his arcane magic levels. Before someone comments, yes I know there was a sorcerer kit in Zakhara material but that's not the same as a core base class. :)
Kuje, I think he refers to the 3e Underdark  |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 23:44:23
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
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Originally posted by Kuje
Plus,
there was no sorcerer core class in 2e, so they had to use wizard for his arcane magic levels. Before someone comments, yes I know there was a sorcerer kit in Zakhara material but that's not the same as a core base class. :)
Kuje, I think he refers to the 3e Underdark
You're right. Sigh. I really need to stop replying when I'm half awake. :) I do this all the time, when that's the case. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Aug 2006 : 23:50:51
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 03:30:06
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I'm pretty sure some, but not all, of the stattings as sorcerer were done arbitrarily to bolster the presence of the new class in the Realms, so I don't trust the designation.
Yeah, from what I've seen, I agree with that. I personally love the class, but I think they slapped it on certain characters to simply ground it in the Realms more.  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 03:35:54
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Originally posted by GothicDan
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Before someone comments, yes I know there was a sorcerer kit in Zakhara material but that's not the same as a core base class. :)
Haha, I wonder if anyone else would have actually commented on that, Kuje. ;) Well, Old Sage, maybe...
Probably. ::smirk::
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 03:48:20
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Yeah, from what I've seen, I agree with that. I personally love the class, but I think they slapped it on certain characters to simply ground it in the Realms more.
Agreed. The Wizards in FR always seem more like a hybrid of the Sorcerer and Wizard classes in 3E anyway, half the time. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 21:15:27
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Originally posted by GothicDan
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Yeah, from what I've seen, I agree with that. I personally love the class, but I think they slapped it on certain characters to simply ground it in the Realms more.
Agreed. The Wizards in FR always seem more like a hybrid of the Sorcerer and Wizard classes in 3E anyway, half the time.
Which is why I allow casting on the fly for almost any caster class. Sorcerer's just have unlimited casting since what they have listed is what they have total.
Wizards and Clerics and other prepared casters, are subject to my arbitrary wimps, unless said spell was actually prepared. Plus Wizards need to have their spellbook out to cast on the fly, thus risking it being damaged/destroyed, and cannot use Metamagic. |
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Brenigin
Learned Scribe
New Zealand
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 20:19:44
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Wizards and Clerics and other prepared casters, are subject to my arbitrary wimps...
 That's the best typo all week. Run! 'Tis a flock of arbitrary wimps! |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 20:56:01
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Plus Wizards need to have their spellbook out to cast on the fly, thus risking it being damaged/destroyed, and cannot use Metamagic.
I always liked that rule. :) |
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warlockco
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Aug 2006 : 01:17:14
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Yeah had a fool, take his spellbook out in the heart of a volcano...
Chalk another one up for 'stupidest things a character has done...' |
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Seeking some clarification on Kaanyr Vhok
