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Kheris
Seeker
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 Posted - 27 Nov 2007 : 18:21:03
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This link (if a mod would be so kind as to correct this for me, please? I can't seem to make it pretty  )
Linky!
goes back to a discussion about the Raaces & Classes preview book being released early in Hungary. It seems to confirm the mystery race as "Dragonborn", with info on some of the races.
Also, in case anyone was interested, there's a Gleemax thread for questions to be asked of Chris Perkins on the Gamer Radio Zero podcast, linked below.
Another linky!
Mod edit: Links made pretty. Oh so pretty! 
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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 27 Nov 2007 18:47:48
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 27 Nov 2007 : 18:31:00
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| Hm, another element that don't interest me much. I will keep things as they were in the old (TSR) days. I wonder how they will insert this in the Realms though. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 27 Nov 2007 : 18:52:03
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Well, Dragonborn are already introduced into the Realms, via Dragons of Faerun. Mainly in the Bloodstone region where the Church of Bahamut has started to make some inroads. They aren't a major force there or anything, but they are there (and they were first introduced in Races of the Dragon).
That having been said, given the whole trend of 4th edition to use existing names and only making a vague connection to the name's former origin (i.e. eladrins, dryads, etc), its entirely possible that Dragonborn will have a different origin than they once had. |
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Ayunken-vanzan
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 27 Nov 2007 : 20:03:27
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Well, Dragonborn are already introduced into the Realms, via Dragons of Faerun. Mainly in the Bloodstone region where the Church of Bahamut has started to make some inroads. They aren't a major force there or anything, but they are there (and they were first introduced in Races of the Dragon).
That having been said, given the whole trend of 4th edition to use existing names and only making a vague connection to the name's former origin (i.e. eladrins, dryads, etc), its entirely possible that Dragonborn will have a different origin than they once had.
This seems to be very likely. Reading the thread linked above the dragoborn mentioned there seem to be something completely different from the Dragonborn of Bahamut:
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Dragonborn are a true breeding race that has nothing to do with humans. They are lizards (egg laying). They were never a half race.
I have to add: Since I like the dragonborn of Bahamut very much, I do not like this new "dragonborn" if they are meant to be the 4th ed conversion of the former. |
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
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Posted - 28 Nov 2007 : 00:30:31
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quote:
Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Well, Dragonborn are already introduced into the Realms, via Dragons of Faerun. Mainly in the Bloodstone region where the Church of Bahamut has started to make some inroads. They aren't a major force there or anything, but they are there (and they were first introduced in Races of the Dragon).
That having been said, given the whole trend of 4th edition to use existing names and only making a vague connection to the name's former origin (i.e. eladrins, dryads, etc), its entirely possible that Dragonborn will have a different origin than they once had.
Well, with the 4th edition being prepared in the period that Dragons of Faerūn was released, I think that the plot of the Year of the Lightning Storms (eggs falling from the skyes, being collected by the churchs of Tiamat and Bahamut, and dragonborns being created) could be a part of the implementation of this "new race"... |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 28 Nov 2007 : 01:57:26
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My reaction to this is...meeeeeeeeeeeeh. :-/
Not just at the Dragonborn, but at the other 4E tidbits on that pages as well. |
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GRYPHON
Senior Scribe
USA
527 Posts |
Posted - 28 Nov 2007 : 06:09:54
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| I would have to agree with Rinonalyma... |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 28 Nov 2007 : 06:46:23
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| Gnomes lacking focus, hmrf. I never understood that opinion at all. |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
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Posted - 28 Nov 2007 : 11:17:13
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| I have to agree with the tree previous posts. All the more we move away from the original setting (Old Grey Box) we move away from my felt Realms. And Dragonborn being a new race, halflings being more kender-like........ Guys, are we implementing dragonlance here now?! Anyhow, I don't like what I'm reading! |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 28 Nov 2007 : 13:54:46
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| 4th edition is targeted to Uber video gamers so something like a Dragonborn would fit their mold |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 28 Nov 2007 : 16:16:05
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| I guess all this stuff could be wonderful in a new, original setting. However, I'd really rather not see these concepts in the Realms. Also, I am troubled by a piece of text titled "The Problem with Gnomes". Who says they "lack focus"? Geez. |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 28 Nov 2007 : 17:36:17
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I guess all this stuff could be wonderful in a new, original setting. However, I'd really rather not see these concepts in the Realms. Also, I am troubled by a piece of text titled "The Problem with Gnomes". Who says they "lack focus"? Geez.
Sometimes you deserve a kiss.
I would love to see what the designers could do with creating other settings and using all the elements they have introduced into the game in developing other worlds and stories. Let the Realms be the Realms. Change is natural, bla, bla, bla. Yes I know, but I don't recognise the Realms I liked any more. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Nov 2007 : 17:45:01
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Originally posted by Jorkens
Sometimes you deserve a kiss.
Aww, shucks. |
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GRYPHON
Senior Scribe
USA
527 Posts |
Posted - 28 Nov 2007 : 23:33:49
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| Good point, master Jorkens. The Realms do seem to drifting farther an farther into...something... |
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Ardashir
Senior Scribe
USA
544 Posts |
Posted - 01 Dec 2007 : 16:41:58
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Originally posted by Ayunken-vanzanI have to add: Since I like the dragonborn of Bahamut very much, I do not like this new "dragonborn" if they are meant to be the 4th ed conversion of the former.
I prefer the whole "chosen children of Bahamut" idea myself. Can someone please tell me just wht exactly WOTC is changing everything about the Realms so drastically? |
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 03 Dec 2007 : 00:48:23
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I guess all this stuff could be wonderful in a new, original setting. However, I'd really rather not see these concepts in the Realms. Also, I am troubled by a piece of text titled "The Problem with Gnomes". Who says they "lack focus"? Geez.
Rino, WoTC designers apparently think that they lack *combat* focus...  |
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Faraer
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Posted - 03 Dec 2007 : 01:06:19
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If Dragonborn are added to the Realms as a new race, it will be one more instance of crude world-building adding a new version of something that was there already (as with Zakhara/Calimshan, Shades/Malaugrym, etc.).quote:
Originally posted by Jorkens
Gnomes lacking focus, hmrf. I never understood that opinion at all.
I don't agree with it, but I think I understand it. As I recently posted, quote:
I think Gary's original gnome concept is strong. Some of the reasons it wasn't taken to heart as much as elves, dwarves and halflings are that it didn't have their recognizable base in Tolkien, northern myth, folklore and Shakespeare; it wasn't dwelt on by Gary (except a nice section of S4) or other TSR designers; Jeff Grubb's tinker gnomes and succeeding high-concept novelties further complicated/diffused/distracted from their original identity; and of course our society's admiration of the tall, youthful and mostly hairless.
I also like the gnomes -- the Forgotten Folk -- of the Realms, and again, they never got the attention that imbedded elves and dwarves in people's loyalties. Chicken and egg. Then, gnomes being a non-core race matches their secrecy in the Realms rather well.
I think if Wizards made a little of their market research public we would trust their decisions more. I wonder what questions established the greater popularity of theoretical dragon people, or eladrins which most players (unless the fraction who buy supplements has multiplied since the 90s) probably haven't heard of.
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 03 Dec 2007 : 06:02:37
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| Strangely enough, with the Scandinavian Nisse, the old Gnome books and the magical dwarves of faerie tales in mind, gnomes are for me one of the easiest races to get a handle on. The mechanical tinker part never sat right with me though. |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
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Posted - 03 Dec 2007 : 07:53:02
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Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin
quote:
Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Well, Dragonborn are already introduced into the Realms, via Dragons of Faerun. Mainly in the Bloodstone region where the Church of Bahamut has started to make some inroads. They aren't a major force there or anything, but they are there (and they were first introduced in Races of the Dragon).
That having been said, given the whole trend of 4th edition to use existing names and only making a vague connection to the name's former origin (i.e. eladrins, dryads, etc), its entirely possible that Dragonborn will have a different origin than they once had.
Well, with the 4th edition being prepared in the period that Dragons of Faerūn was released, I think that the plot of the Year of the Lightning Storms (eggs falling from the skyes, being collected by the churchs of Tiamat and Bahamut, and dragonborns being created) could be a part of the implementation of this "new race"...
4E was only in its infancy when work on Dragons of Faerūn began. I certainly had no knowledge of it at the time. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 03 Dec 2007 : 15:24:57
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Originally posted by Jorkens
Strangely enough, with the Scandinavian Nisse, the old Gnome books and the magical dwarves of faerie tales in mind, gnomes are for me one of the easiest races to get a handle on.
Then there are garden gnomes, and David the Gnome. |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 03 Dec 2007 : 15:28:41
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quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Jorkens
Strangely enough, with the Scandinavian Nisse, the old Gnome books and the magical dwarves of faerie tales in mind, gnomes are for me one of the easiest races to get a handle on.
Then there are garden gnomes, and David the Gnome.
David the gnome, thanks. I had forgotten the name, its been a few years since I read those books. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Dec 2007 : 15:30:36
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You're welcome. Years ago, there was a David the Gnome cartoon show too. |
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Mystery PHB Race (apparently) Revealed
