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Diffan
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 Posted - 13 Aug 2010 : 11:13:45
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Originally posted by dennis
Interesting point. It may then mean that Mystra is not dead at all, just "hiding," living as an anonymous avatar cloaked with layers and layers of anti-divination so that Shar and her other nemeses won't have a chance of finding her, and mayhap she is also guarding the Weave surreptitiously from far away, and that Ao might have consented of this. I think I read somewhere in the Avatar series Ao mentioned that Mystra's role in the Pantheon is very crucial in maintaining the balance in the world, taking care of the most powerful source of energy that could either spell doom or save the world. This again led me to another theory: If Ao realized Mystra's essential role (even though he never hinted at any favoritism among the deities), then perhaps he was the mastermind in staging the SP. Maybe it was but an "act" to suit WotC's needs. It makes sense: remove the goddess (from the setting) that caused new and potential FR fans to shun FR totally, thinking the said deity is biased on good magic-users; and still maintain the balance of power in Faerun by actually "hiding" Mystra.
Definitly interesting, espically if one believes that without Mystra there is no magic. It would answer a few questions too.
What I find funny is that I didn't even feel Mystra needed killing to bring in the new magic system. Wizards still need to prepare spells, they need a spellbook, and they need to rest to regain their spells used which isn't as far from the vancian system (and the old Weave) to begin with. Same as with Sorcerers, when they cast their more potent spells, they need to rest to regain them so adding in Mystra and the Weave is pretty much fluff at this point IMO, espically since there aren't any Epic level rituals out so far. |
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Brix
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Posted - 13 Aug 2010 : 11:59:00
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The whole reasoning behind the death of Mystra is IMO not very valid.
According to old rules faerunian deities are made of believers.
Mystra has a large amount of believers.
So even if someone manages to kill the goddess. Another Mystra should instantly pop into existence.
Maybe this new goddess ist a baby or a young woman hidden away (see my post above. This could be the seed for a beautiful campaign. |
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Bakra
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Posted - 13 Aug 2010 : 13:10:44
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Deities slain on their home plane have trouble ‘popping’ back into existence. They can make a slow come back depending on how many of their followers are left. Mystra followers were reduced quite considerably during the Spellplauge. Her arcane worshippers went insane, powerless, or were flat out destroyed. A few days after her death the arcane ‘survivor’s (The insane ones, powerless ones, and the few who could cast a simple cantrip) had to worry about being slain by regular folk (scared peasants), personal vendettas (“So Mages spells are gone, time for payback!”), and wandering monsters. Also, some arcane worshippers, the ones who did pray to her and not give her lipservice, may have lost faith in their goddess. Especially the longer they went without hearing or feeling Mystra. The same holds true for her surviving divine servants. The longer time went with no response the more they would lose faith. These fallen clerics would move on to another deity friendly to Mystras’ faithful.
Now her lay worshippers, the common people, were not immune to the effects of the Spellplague. Many of them died, the ones who didn’t went to Mystras churches for sanctuary. Only to find no safety there for them. Some, if not all of the lay worshipper would have moved on to other deities. “The clerics no longer have spells. Their prayers are no longer answered. But Chaunteas’ clerics can cure our sick, and bless our crops.”
As I said above she could make a come back over time. Cults of Mystra still exist, so it is possible what is left of her mind is pulling itself back together. A slow time consuming process. Imagine a broken mirror which has been grounded into dust. Then the dust was scattered over an island. Now imagine a gnome with a magnifying glass, tweezers, and glue looking for all the pieces to put it back together. And to make matters worse: the gnome has no idea what the original mirror looked like before it was pummeled.
Established in lore most deities have a back-up plan. A divine vessels that enables them to return faster than normal. For example, Bane had a divine artifact, the Hand of Bane, that held a small part of his essence. If his faithful enacted the correct ritual he would have came back into being a decade earlier than 1372.
Finally, a deities return can be hampered or prevented by another deity. Another deity can absorb a slain deities portfolio and grant spells to the faithful. A deity can masquerade as the deceased and grant spells. Or a rival deity can hide or destroy all of the divine vessels. Or a friendly deity can be holding onto a portfolio until the deceased deity returns.
Hmmm,
Is it August 2011 yet?
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Aug 2010 : 13:30:06
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My theory all along has been that when Killing Mystra, who was actually Midnight holding Mystra's essence, Midnight was actually killed. This released Mystra's essence instantly and uncontrolably, which then rolled over Faerun as the "blue fire" or spellpplague. It will (or may has, as of current time) many years to coalesce into enough of a state the the "old mystra" can re-emerge and begin to harness herself back into what she was before the time of troubles.(which will take many more years to complete with the help of her following chosen and followers to help her "remember herself".
This explains why magic still exists, because Mystra /the weave still exist and also explain why it is so unstable. While Mystra/Weave is still in existence, it is in shape to control and nourish the magic, so it is running wild.
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Brace Cormaeril
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Posted - 13 Aug 2010 : 15:47:29
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This idea that Mystra *is* the Weave is existential to the point of losing it's value in these conversations. Is a flame burning Mystra, is a nuerochemical cascade sliding down a kobolds back Mystra? Is it the Weave?
If all magic is the Weave, why are there other forms of Magic on Toril which do not access the Weave?
I believe that Mystra's role is to act as the Guardian (or Gardner, like in Ashe's example) of the Weave. The Weave makes Magic easier to use on Toril than on other Primes, hence the overall magic glut on Faerun. Mystra's prime directive, in my opinion, is to promulgate the use of Magic in societies, and hence her Good nature, and willingness to make Magic easier for mortals to use. Good use of Magic is good for magic. Bad use of Magic is bad for Magic. If Mystra's only area of interest is Magic, she must be Good, as far as Good pertains to Magic. If given a choice between promoting Magic (a good thing) or destroying magic (a bad thing), Mystra will promote.
It was an appropriate response by Hasbro/WotC to begin to scale back alignment in the game. It has become a headache, nuanced by philosophical debate which has not been satisfied by thousands of years of debate.
Regardless of alignment issues, I believe there are a number of internal inconsistencies with the Weave/Mystra/Magic issue, that have yet to resolved.
With problems like these, no wonder Hasbro/WotC killed her!
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 13 Aug 2010 : 17:39:02
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Originally posted by Menelvagor
Angharrahd doesn't exist anymore, since it was revealed that the Seldarine were simply aspects of the other gods. Sehanine an aspect of Selune, Hanali an aspect of Sune, etc.
Not to intrude in the discussion here, but I wanted to correct a piece of misinformation here offered: Canonically, Angharradh *does* exist in the 4e FR. She is listed in the FRCG, as are multiple other members of the Seldarine (such as Shevarash and my personal favorite, Erevan Ilesere). There are a few who didn't make it (either because they actually *are* gone or for space reasons), but Angharradh is definitely there.
(If deities like Angharradh doesn't exist in your personal game, well, that's a different matter.)
Branching outside the canon here and into my personal views, as for Seldarine who've *merged* with other deities, the way I look at that is that the respective aspects (like "Sune" and "Hanali") of a particular deity are of the same worth and value, and that it's perfectly reasonable to have an elf refer to the deity as Hanali, while a human refers to it as Sune. It's just that the deity in question is most *commonly* called by the human name (in this case, Sune).
Also, not to go into IA's discussion of aspects too deeply, but I don't think the anthropomorphism mortals put on deities (such as gender, etc.) is much of a stumbling block to them having different aspects. As far back a 2e, Shar had male and female aspects (Ilbrandul, anyone?), and Cyric had Leira (which is basically an aspect of his divinity).
Personally, I think it's really fascinating that deities could be aspects of one another. I've written about a cult that views Tymora/Beshaba as opposing aspects of the same deity, DMed a Shar/Selune priestly order, and then there's always the Threefold God from my novels, who is three gods (two of them dead). The flexibility allows for some cool ideas.
And who's to say that Mystra isn't a dormant aspect of some other deity? Maybe Cyric absorbed her into himself but doesn't know how to control her?
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'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Kilvan
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Posted - 13 Aug 2010 : 19:00:05
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 13 Aug 2010 : 19:26:53
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Originally posted by The Sage
Errr... a deity of magic, like Mystra, *is* the Weave. So Saith Ed.
Ihe last response Ed gave to one of my posts in his thread - the one where I stated Mystra is an incredibly complex, self-aware artifact - Ed said "Markustay is absolutely 100% correct." 
But I also said at that level of power, this difference between a 'deity' and an artifact of that magnitude is negligible. The same can be said for Archfey, Fiend Lords, Primordials, etc...
All gods in a sense....
Anyhow, I am starting to lean toward Lurue being the deity of magic itself, while Mystra was the Weave, which means Mystra was more about how mortals used magic, then the actual energy (Mana?) of Arcane magic.
All deities posses vast amounts of energy, on many, MANY levels, and I think that somehow during the War of Light and Darkness Selune sacrificed her own Arcane energies to strip Shar of her's, and with that power created the Weave (and Mystra, the Weave's 'Awareness').
These were primordial gods, so they had all sorts of magical energies, which means that not only was Shar still left with her Umbral (Shadow) energy, but so was Selune. Later-arriving deities - those who were risen mortals - would not fully understand the intricate workings of the multiverse, and therefor would focus on only one source of power for themselves, and in most cases, that would have been the easily-accessible Weave (and Arcane magic).
By creating Mystra/The Weave, Selune managed to 'hamstring' Shar's portfiolio of Shadow, and deny her much power she could have otherwise gained from mortal beings using Shadow to power their magics.
That is why she had to create the Shadow-Weave - it was the only way to pull mortals away from the easier-to-use Weave, and thus 'repair' the nerfing that Selune had done at the beginning to her.
Mystra is a tool - a weapon against Shar - nothing more. Her own existence doesn't matter, so long as her reason for being stays intact - the denial of Darkness' rule over Realmspace. Selune is, quite literally, the 'beacon of light in the darkness' - her purpose is to keep mankind (and other intelligent beings) from absolute darkness, and guide them by her light.
Lurue, on the other hand, is either an Archfey or an Elemental (Arcane energy) primordial, but as I said above, at those levels of power all of those beings can be defined as 'gods' (which means the terminology is negligible). She represents magic in its pure, unrestrained (non-weave) form. |
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 13 Aug 2010 : 19:35:14
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Well, Markustay brings to me the idea that the Mystra/Midnight incarnation of the Weave had a sister...
I wonder if that sister could become the next Mystra? |
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Mr_Miscellany
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 13 Aug 2010 : 20:13:29
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Diffan
Personally, I don't think a God/Goddess of magic is really needed. Magic is something that eminates from the world and I don't think it needs to be controled by any deity.
Errr... a deity of magic, like Mystra, *is* the Weave. So Saith Ed.
So what?
That's not meant in a snarky tone, rather this: why does the Weave automatically have to be self-aware just because it exists?
As to the subject: I'm viewing the post-Spellplague Realms more and more as a thing just coming out of reset mode. It's almost like the Realms are in a phase similar to what it was like just after the creation of the cosmos with Abeir, Toril and the first divine beings (all the Watching Gods).
In this way of thinking, it's not a matter of if Mystra (or some other being) reforms and becomes the god of magic, rather it's a matter of when. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 13 Aug 2010 : 20:44:12
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Good call, Misc.
@Dalor: Hmmmm... the awareness of the Shadow-Weave... that has some scary possibilities. I wonder if that would be Mask?
Maybe all those 'shadow-gods' in that temple in the EC novel were manfestations of individual (world-specific) Shadow-Weaves.
On the other hand, Shar being who she is, may have built her's with a critical difference - NO self-awareness (why would she WANT competition?)
WAIT... didn't I hear something about mask being her 'child'? 
Hmmmmmmmm.... |
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Ashe Ravenheart
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Aug 2010 : 21:30:18
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
SERIOUSLY, WILL YOU ALL GO READ ELMINSTER MUST DIE ALREADY?!?
What are you trying to tell us Ashe? I can't quite understand you. |
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sfdragon
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Posted - 13 Aug 2010 : 22:21:56
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HE can't tell you as its a mystery, only you must solve.
you as in the reader of this post |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 14 Aug 2010 : 01:19:48
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Originally posted by Mr_Miscellany
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Diffan
Personally, I don't think a God/Goddess of magic is really needed. Magic is something that eminates from the world and I don't think it needs to be controled by any deity.
Errr... a deity of magic, like Mystra, *is* the Weave. So Saith Ed.
So what?
That's not meant in a snarky tone, rather this: why does the Weave automatically have to be self-aware just because it exists?
I'm assuming, because that's the way Ed intended it. And, as both Ashe and myself pointed out earlier, it's a position which seems to have been [however] maintained given what occurs in the Epilogue of Elminster Must Die. The explanation itself, could be as simple as Mystra finally becoming aware, again, in order to comprehend just how she can function and nurture the Weave in the post-Spellplague Realms. |
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The Red Walker
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Posted - 14 Aug 2010 : 01:33:20
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Why all the "spolier speak" for stuff thats not spoiling anything?
Just curious , because I cant read them on my Ipad, so i had to haul my butt upstairs, fire up a pc, and reveal....nothing spoilerish!! |
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Dennis
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Posted - 14 Aug 2010 : 02:11:50
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WAIT... didn't I hear something about mask being her 'child'?
Hmmmmmmmm....
Yes, it was mentioned in the epilogue of Shadowrealm. |
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Brace Cormaeril
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Posted - 14 Aug 2010 : 03:40:58
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Wait a second, Sage-man. The Epilogue of EMD states that the Weave is gone, but Mystra is alive...
Isn't this contrary to Ed's earlier remarks, which indicated they were one and the same.
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Dennis
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Posted - 14 Aug 2010 : 03:45:28
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Oops, spoiler, Brace.
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althen artren
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Posted - 14 Aug 2010 : 03:48:00
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Ok, can somebody pm me the gist of the epilogue of EMD?
I don't mind spoilers at all.
Oh by the way, check out the prologue of Shadows of Doom
for a place where Mystra may be hiding in Candlekeep.
Just sayn.
Oh, also isn't there mention somewhere of a demiplane
inside Candlekeep. Sage, Wooly, anybody more knowledgable
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The Red Walker
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Posted - 14 Aug 2010 : 03:49:08
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Originally posted by dennis
Oops, spoiler, Brace.
Glad I already read that |
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The Red Walker
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Posted - 14 Aug 2010 : 03:55:06
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Originally posted by althen artren
Ok, can somebody pm me the gist of the epilogue of EMD?
I don't mind spoilers at all.
Oh by the way, check out the prologue of Shadows of Doom
for a place where Mystra may be hiding in Candlekeep.
Just sayn.
Oh, also isn't there mention somewhere of a demiplane
inside Candlekeep. Sage, Wooly, anybody more knowledgable
than I?
You can get the gist of it from the book club scroll that includes the epilogue. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 14 Aug 2010 : 03:57:18
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I don't really mind spoilers so long as they are the "specific" things I want to know ahead, like the cockroach's nearly ubiquitous existence in Ed's books. So I ask what those specifics are; otherwise, I'd know the entire story before reading the story; it'll be no different than watching a movie ----book adaptation or not---- and knowing what exactly will happen...=) |
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 14 Aug 2010 : 04:10:08
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Originally posted by Brace Cormaeril
Wait a second, Sage-man. The Epilogue of EMD states that the Weave is gone, but Mystra is alive...
Isn't this contrary to Ed's earlier remarks, which indicated they were one and the same.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 14 Aug 2010 : 05:21:09
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Originally posted by Brace Cormaeril
Wait a second, Sage-man. The Epilogue of EMD states that the Weave is gone, but Mystra is alive...
Isn't this contrary to Ed's earlier remarks, which indicated they were one and the same.
Well, really, only Ed can answer this to any specific degree. But if I were to speculate on what limited information we have, I would suggest that perhaps the Spellplague had such a catastrophic effect on Mystra and the Weave, that the relationship between the two was severely altered -- but not wholly destroyed. Let's remember that while magic can and still will work without the *apparent* presence of Mystra in the post-Spellplague Realms, there may still be some residual element of her control/awareness/power "weaved throughout the Weave" or field of magic or whatever encompasses the practice of the arcane on Toril now [for lack of a better phrasing], and it's that residue that the Lady of Mysteries is still clinging to. The very fact that magic still exists, and that Mystra still lives, to me at least, only re-inforces Ed's previous marks. After all, the Weave has undergone traumatic changes in the past, and has been subjected to reconstitution/repair in the wake of such violent situations. Maybe we're simply seeing much of the same here, again.
It's interesting to note, also, that maybe Mystra 2.0 simply wasn't as experienced or "equipped" to deal with this kind of disaster. Whereas, Mystryl had the experience and resolve to fully restore the functioning of the Weave quickly. Perhaps it's simply taken Mystra 2.0 *this long* to figure things out, and for her to fully comprehend just what she has to do in order to properly restore herself and the Weave in a way that works with the Spellplague, rather than against it. |
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Lady Kazandra
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Posted - 14 Aug 2010 : 08:06:13
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I can't imagine when I'll ever be reaching this point in my games. I'm still using Mystryl.  |
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ywhtptgtfo
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Posted - 15 Aug 2010 : 23:03:21
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If the WotC designers are not as bad as I imagined...
SPOILER
... her death and revival can be pre-planned instead of ret-conned to satisfy fans. If that's true, then there are a number of possibilities.
Suppose the visions in The Fractured Sky can be taken literally and the staff used was the Staff of Azuth, then she could've been trapped inside the staff. The end of EMD could either be her recently having freed herself or was calling for help.
Another possibility is that the whole thing was a big gamble made by her (an idea possibly suggested by someone else). This would kind of resemble Lolth's silence where the deity set aside all her responsibilities and sacrificed her most powerful followers in a bid to fulfill some objective. The loss of her traditional conduit could be part of a greater plan of metamorphosis. As well, the elimination of a powerful competition is good for her.
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Originally posted by Brace Cormaeril
Wait a second, Sage-man. The Epilogue of EMD states that the Weave is gone, but Mystra is alive...
Isn't this contrary to Ed's earlier remarks, which indicated they were one and the same.
Well, really, only Ed can answer this to any specific degree. But if I were to speculate on what limited information we have, I would suggest that perhaps the Spellplague had such a catastrophic effect on Mystra and the Weave, that the relationship between the two was severely altered -- but not wholly destroyed. Let's remember that while magic can and still will work without the *apparent* presence of Mystra in the post-Spellplague Realms, there may still be some residual element of her control/awareness/power "weaved throughout the Weave" or field of magic or whatever encompasses the practice of the arcane on Toril now [for lack of a better phrasing], and it's that residue that the Lady of Mysteries is still clinging to. The very fact that magic still exists, and that Mystra still lives, to me at least, only re-inforces Ed's previous marks. After all, the Weave has undergone traumatic changes in the past, and has been subjected to reconstitution/repair in the wake of such violent situations. Maybe we're simply seeing much of the same here, again.
It's interesting to note, also, that maybe Mystra 2.0 simply wasn't as experienced or "equipped" to deal with this kind of disaster. Whereas, Mystryl had the experience and resolve to fully restore the functioning of the Weave quickly. Perhaps it's simply taken Mystra 2.0 *this long* to figure things out, and for her to fully comprehend just what she has to do in order to properly restore herself and the Weave in a way that works with the Spellplague, rather than against it.
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