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skychrome
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 15 Jul 2010 : 16:11:24
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
FR Channel Divinities that need to be written?
Waukeen and Oghma
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Explore City XXX articles you'd like?
Baldur's Gate, Raven's Bluff and I am there with The Sage: Anything about the Border Kingdoms, why not Oeble?
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Kyrene
Senior Scribe
South Africa
767 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2010 : 09:19:52
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I'm looking forward to the next free "Elminster Must Die! #8-14,". . .
Heh! I should've played the Lotto this week.  The Elminster Must Die! #8-14 (Realmslore* by Ed Greenwood) article is up. 
* I'm still agreeing to disagree with Brimmy on this one, but no "Realmslore" in single-quotes out of respect for his argument. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3290 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2010 : 13:38:08
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Chapter Eleven
Temptations for Many
Gods laugh and make cruel sport with us all,
Serving hope heaped on platters, or not any,
Leaving high noble or grim farmer alike all afire,
A-running and a-fighting hard for their hearts’ desire,
And chasing bright temptations many.
Lune “Minstrelcloak” Ardratha
The Dockhand’s Lament
first performed circa the Year of the
Sheltered Viper
Elminster gave the undead Steel Regent of Cormyr a long, hard look.
Looks like Realmslore to me.
Because it's 4E Realmslore it doesn't qualifiy, hey? |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 16 Jul 2010 : 13:55:12
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Originally posted by Brimstone
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Chapter Eleven
Temptations for Many
Gods laugh and make cruel sport with us all,
Serving hope heaped on platters, or not any,
Leaving high noble or grim farmer alike all afire,
A-running and a-fighting hard for their hearts’ desire,
And chasing bright temptations many.
Lune “Minstrelcloak” Ardratha
The Dockhand’s Lament
first performed circa the Year of the
Sheltered Viper
Elminster gave the undead Steel Regent of Cormyr a long, hard look.
Looks like Realmslore to me.
Because it's 4E Realmslore it doesn't qualifiy, hey?
Brimmy, it's not because it's 4E or because it's Post-Spellplague. It's because it's a snippet of a song and a single sentence.
Elminster Must Die! is Realmslore. As soon as I have it in my hands, I will devour it. But to offer up bits and pieces of it as Realmslore to entice people to buy it, makes it a marketing ploy.
Now, if they offered that snippet, then had an article that EXPANDED on what the snippet said, then I'd call it Realmslore. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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3567 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2010 : 14:40:34
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For me, to qualify as "Realmslore" you would have to have a couple of pargraphs at the minimum, or an "article" type full write up of something.
These are just teasers plani and simple. I like teaserts, who doesn't??
The problem is not the content, but the intent.
It obvious that wizards choice to label this Free Realmslore on it calander was to create a buzz. Congrats to them, they did that. Too bad its a 50/50 plus minus buzz at best, when it could have been all good. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2010 : 16:35:55
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
The Red Knight is wayyyyyyy overdue for some love!
On that note, I once had a PC in one of my games who *was* romantically involved with the Red Knight . . . from before she became a goddess. Her apotheosis made their relationship a bit . . . complicated.
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'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2010 : 16:40:01
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Originally posted by Markustay
Hmmmmm... maybe you can give us a few examples of regions you would be allowed to explore? I understand quite a bit was 'left blank' for specific reasons (Evermeet, Nimbral, etc), so it would probably be easier for you to give us a short list of what you can do, or would like to do.
Aside from the risk of that being a little circular, no, I don't think that would be easier (since the Realms are so vastly panoramic) and, in fact, I have no clue what I "can" or can't do. I have a strong sense that I can't cover something that's already got a DDI article, for starters. (There's another thread here on the boards that lists them, or at least links to the WotC boards.)
What I'm looking for in this request is suggestions of things people are hungering for, because the entire purpose of game design for me is to please the gamers (i.e., you guys!).
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2010 : 16:44:49
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Originally posted by arry
I would like to see more information on Ostoria or the civilization that originally built the Citadel of the Raven. Or does it have to be in the contemporary 4e Realms?
It has to be modern 4e Realms, but it can be something *rooted* in history/older editions.
Some of these suggestions are quite apt and look very doable. Keep the ideas coming, or if you see one you love, second/third/fourth it!
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
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Mr_Miscellany
Senior Scribe
545 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2010 : 17:34:23
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Give me more Shade.
I'm certain several scribes would gag at the thought of more on the Shadovar, but I'm all about wanting to know how Netheril has changed and developed. It's a huge nation trying to renew itself to its former glory and ought to have a write up along the lines of the excellent Backdrop: Cormyr article done up in the E-version of Dragon Magazine, including timeline and a kick-ass map.
Something on my “probably will never happen” wish list is a detailed account of the struggle to re-learn magic after the Spellplague. I’m assuming (dangerous, I know) lots of covert conflict amongst the preeminent magical powers (Myth Drannor/Evereska vs. Netheril, with Cormyr desperately trying to keep up), each trying to be the first to re-master magic and be dominant in the New Art (my term) while war rages between Cormyr and Sembia.
Now that I think on it some more, I’m a bit more interested in the 100 years between the Spellplague and the current 4E FRCG start time, what with all the wars, strife and struggle between the Elves, the Shadovar and humans of Cormyr, Sembia and the Dales.
Thanks Erik for taking the time to ask us what we're interested in seeing. It's most appreciated.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 17 Jul 2010 : 02:19:56
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Originally posted by Mr_Miscellany
Something on my “probably will never happen” wish list is a detailed account of the struggle to re-learn magic after the Spellplague.
Seconded. I've been somewhat curious about this myself. I've plotted a few points, based on the majority of arcane mechanisms I've written into my Realms, and in my own interpretation of the [eventual] Spellplague-scenario I'll probably run in one of my alternate Realms campaigns. But, I'd still like to see some further facts from an official standpoint.
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 17 Jul 2010 : 03:17:33
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
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Originally posted by arry
I would like to see more information on Ostoria or the civilization that originally built the Citadel of the Raven. Or does it have to be in the contemporary 4e Realms?
It has to be modern 4e Realms, but it can be something *rooted* in history/older editions.
Some of these suggestions are quite apt and look very doable. Keep the ideas coming, or if you see one you love, second/third/fourth it!
Cheers
I want to see what in the 4e , happened with Walker and his and Arya'd child |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jul 2010 : 04:56:37
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Mr_Miscellany
Something on my “probably will never happen” wish list is a detailed account of the struggle to re-learn magic after the Spellplague.
Seconded. I've been somewhat curious about this myself. I've plotted a few points, based on the majority of arcane mechanisms I've written into my Realms, and in my own interpretation of the [eventual] Spellplague-scenario I'll probably run in one of my alternate Realms campaigns. But, I'd still like to see some further facts from an official standpoint.
We have to remember that a certain percentage of any article on the DDi has to be crunch (I forget the exact % - I believe it is in their writer's guidelines). What that means is that an article MUST lend itself to rules, and I'd be hard-pressed to figure-out how one could do that writing such an article as you suggest.
Still, I agree whole-heartedly that that was a very interesting era to simply ignore.
A historic article, on the other hand, could contain some interesting magical items, or 'ancient magical traditions' (4e's powers) that could have been re-discovered, so one about Netheril or Ostoria would work. One concentrating on stuff during a period of no-or-chaotic magic (such as immediately following the Spellplague) would be very hard to create solid crunch for, IMHO.
Then again, that would be a great period to focus on if they ever wanted a 'Wild Magic' Power-source. |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
1190 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jul 2010 : 09:10:19
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
FR Channel Divinities that need to be written?
Lloth.
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Explore City XXX articles you'd like?
Neverwinter or Myth Drannor after the Return
Seconded. I'd love Ched Nasad or Menzo though too.
All of the above if they come out free, not Insider-only. |
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arry
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
317 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jul 2010 : 11:18:11
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Originally posted by arry
I would like to see more information on Ostoria or the civilization that originally built the Citadel of the Raven. Or does it have to be in the contemporary 4e Realms?
It has to be modern 4e Realms, but it can be something *rooted* in history/older editions.
Some of these suggestions are quite apt and look very doable. Keep the ideas coming, or if you see one you love, second/third/fourth it!
Cheers
Thanks for the clarification. |
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arry
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
317 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jul 2010 : 11:19:08
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Razz
Senior Scribe
USA
749 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jul 2010 : 20:33:19
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Since you guys are never really going to do anything with Lantan, and it's completely destroyed and clearly not ever returning, why not lift the NDA on it so we can get all the info on that place? (I doubt they'll be DDI or used in novels, since the 4E Realms no longer concentrates so much on the past, there being very little crunch in it and all).
Actually, what we could use, is a lot of stuff that can have its NDA lifted off since it no longer has a place in the 4E Realms. That would be sweet and an awesome service to longtime FR fans abroad. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jul 2010 : 21:01:52
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Was it Lantan or Nibral that was destroyed? 
so hard to keep track of everything that happened. |
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Mr_Miscellany
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 17 Jul 2010 : 23:11:17
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Originally posted by Markustay
We have to remember that a certain percentage of any article on the DDi has to be crunch (I forget the exact % - I believe it is in their writer's guidelines).
It depends on which magazine (Dragon or Dungeon) the article appears in.
I've found articles (by Ed and others) in Dungeon with no crunch in them at all, whereas Dragon is highly player-centric and chock full of rules.
An article by Erik or whomever could easily focus on history through a simple summary or timeline, ending with adventure hooks keyed to the interests of various nations, city-states and factions vying for the "next big magical secret" sure to make their mages preeminent over all others.
I'd like to see new Realms-flavored magic items in such an article (or spells or rituals), along with the names of any mages who were key in rebuilding the New Art post-Spellplague.
Some discussion of past or older lore (like what secrets of old Netheril were key for the Shadovar to excel at magic post-Spellplague) would be nice to.
Maybe a chance to tie together some loose lore strings? |
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Brace Cormaeril
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 17 Jul 2010 : 23:30:49
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Originally posted by Mr_Miscellany
Maybe a chance to tie together some loose lore strings?
An opportunity for the scribes of Candlekeep, me'thinks. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 18 Jul 2010 : 00:45:37
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Originally posted by Razz
Since you guys are never really going to do anything with Lantan, and it's completely destroyed and clearly not ever returning, why not lift the NDA on it so we can get all the info on that place? (I doubt they'll be DDI or used in novels, since the 4E Realms no longer concentrates so much on the past, there being very little crunch in it and all).
Actually, what we could use, is a lot of stuff that can have its NDA lifted off since it no longer has a place in the 4E Realms. That would be sweet and an awesome service to longtime FR fans abroad.
As has been mentioned before, leaving an NDA in place is free. Lifting it takes time and effort -- hence money. And WotC has moved away from the days of them spending money to give us something we're not spending money on. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 18 Jul 2010 : 01:53:30
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Originally posted by Markustay
Was it Lantan or Nibral that was destroyed?
Lantan was "mostly" destroyed by the great tsunamis that inundated the island, after the shifting of the continents. When the region emerged from the waters, the majority of its people and technology, as such, were gone. The island still exists, but 'tis greatly reduced in size.
Nimbral simply vanished as a result of the same tsunamis that destroyed Lantan. Some say it still exists, cloaked in illusion, while others insist that is lies deep beneath the waves. There are other theories, also, that suggest Nimbral was spirited away to some another plane or world. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Jul 2010 : 02:48:25
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I would love a series of articles on the Wards of Waterdeep. 10 pages for each one. A series of articles on the Dales. Again 10 pages each.
A series of spotlight articles on the Greater Gods of the Realms and their Churches and Exarchs and mini-pantheons. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 18 Jul 2010 : 22:08:59
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Razz, I don't have anything to do with the NDA situation, but I do think it isn't at all clear that nobody's going to do anything with anything covered under NDAs. I don't see why someone couldn't pitch a Lantan article, or something else covered by NDAs.
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
I want to see what in the 4e , happened with Walker and his and Arya's child
Have you read my Realms of the Dead story? Because that contains a hint or two.
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 19 Jul 2010 : 01:34:02
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Originally posted by Brimstone
I would love a series of articles on the Wards of Waterdeep. 10 pages for each one. A series of articles on the Dales. Again 10 pages each.
Oooh! 10 page articles for each of the Border Kingdoms.  |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Jul 2010 : 01:47:27
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Originally posted by Brimstone
A series of spotlight articles on the Greater Gods of the Realms and their Churches and Exarchs and mini-pantheons.
This would be good. I always loved the complexity of the Realmsian pantheons, and the tiny bit provided for us in the FRCG was pitiful at best. Also, histories going into the "whys" of the splitting of various deities into their pre-4e aspects (i.e. Talos and Gruumsh) and the stories of the re-absorption of said aspects would be nice. Similar to the Faiths and Pantheons description as to how Tyche was split into Tymora and Beshaba. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Jul 2010 : 03:01:45
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Brimstone
I would love a series of articles on the Wards of Waterdeep. 10 pages for each one. A series of articles on the Dales. Again 10 pages each.
Oooh! 10 page articles for each of the Border Kingdoms.
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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3290 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2010 : 03:05:24
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
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Originally posted by Brimstone
A series of spotlight articles on the Greater Gods of the Realms and their Churches and Exarchs and mini-pantheons.
This would be good. I always loved the complexity of the Realmsian pantheons, and the tiny bit provided for us in the FRCG was pitiful at best. Also, histories going into the "whys" of the splitting of various deities into their pre-4e aspects (i.e. Talos and Gruumsh) and the stories of the re-absorption of said aspects would be nice. Similar to the Faiths and Pantheons description as to how Tyche was split into Tymora and Beshaba.
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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3567 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2010 : 04:04:56
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Razz, I don't have anything to do with the NDA situation, but I do think it isn't at all clear that nobody's going to do anything with anything covered under NDAs. I don't see why someone couldn't pitch a Lantan article, or something else covered by NDAs.
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
I want to see what in the 4e , happened with Walker and his and Arya's child
Have you read my Realms of the Dead story? Because that contains a hint or two.
Cheers
Of course I read it!
It just that I have slept a lot since then
Looks like a re-read is in order. |
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
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Posted - 19 Jul 2010 : 10:35:50
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| Will those articles you're asking us about be free or Insider-only, Erik? |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2010 : 17:57:09
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Definitely DDi, which means paid for.
Nothing in life is really free.
As an aside, I don't think Erik has any say over how they use his articles once they purchase them. Many things 'sold' by Ed to them have yet to see the light of day. |
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