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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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 Posted - 09 Jul 2010 : 22:17:09
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"Leaving" as in 'lurking' - when I post it seems to cause conflict a lot, which is exactly what I don't want.
Every time I try to build a bridge, I find it gets blown-up. 
I'm not claiming any innocence in the matter - being from NY, I have some trouble keeping my yap shut when something irritates me. Some people call it 'abrasive' - I like to think of it as plan ol' Brooklyn, in-your-face, honesty. 
(Although I never lived in Brooklyn - I was actually born in Queens, but that just doesn't have the same reputation, for whatever reason).
Now I'm off like a prom dress.  |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2010 : 00:43:34
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Completely off-topic, sort-of....
Every time I see the title of this thread, I keep imagining a monster called a 'Feedback'.
NO! Seriously!
I picture it looking very creepy, something like THIS, but with either a trunk-like appendage or maybe some Illithid-like tantacles, and a great, big Maw in its back (it uses the appendages to place food in its mouth, much like an elephant). I also imagine the place where a mouth would normally be on it's face wouldn't be there - either sewn-up if it were some sort of undead, or plain flesh if it were some type of aberration.
Despite my vocal dislike for aberrations, I have used them on rare occasions (usually I run a 'Halloween scenario' a'la Ravenloft), and if I could get a good artist to draw something akin to this I think it would be scarey as hell. Not sure if it would work better as some sort of twisted undead though...
Maybe both? Created by a necromancer who dabbled in the Far Realms? That is so frightening and weird... then again, maybe it would just be stupid-looking.
I'm still trying to work-out in my mind weather I want 'corruption' linked to 'Chaos' (Far Realms), or 'Evil' (Shadow) in my world. I love the idea that Mages get corrupted by casting 'forbidden' magics, and I am trying to marry the two together somehow, but it feels forced. We have official lore (core and FR) that it occurs with both, depending on what rules - and edition - you are going with. I think I need to tinker with my cosmology more....
We now bring you back to our regularly scheduled thread... Please stand By |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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arry
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 Jul 2010 : 11:17:20
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An advertisement for a forthcoming novel is not Realmslore. It was however, free. Half right then  |
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Razz
Senior Scribe
USA
749 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2010 : 23:28:29
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| Fellow Yankees, awesome! I was bred, born, and raised on good ol' NY, Long Island, Suffolk County, for 20 years before moving out to Saint Louis. :D |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jul 2010 : 01:50:30
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I live in Ronkonkoma, Razz, but I've lived all over Suffolk, mostly the North Shore.  |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Kyrene
Senior Scribe
South Africa
767 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jul 2010 : 13:26:12
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Originally posted by arry
An advertisement for a forthcoming novel is not Realmslore. It was however, free. Half right then
I just realised!  The title of last Friday's free 'Realmslore' was: "Elminster Must Die! #1-7"  I'm looking forward to the next free "Elminster Must Die! #8-14," "Elminster Must Die! #15-21" and "Elminster Must Die! #22-Epilogue" where we'll once again be lucky if we see more than two words of 'Realmslore' due to what is actually being presented. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3290 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jul 2010 : 17:03:01
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Originally posted by Brimstone
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Chapter Two
Another Bold Night in Brave Cormyr
So sing out songs and have no fear,
The wine is bright with much good cheer,
Lasses laugh as jacks jest and jeer,
It’s another bold night in brave Cormyr!
from the ballad
Another Bold Night in Brave Cormyr
composed by Andrur Hallowstake
bard of Wheloon
in the Year of the Halls Unhaunted
“Hold! What was that?”
Nice.
Spoilers from Elminster MUST Die!
Looks like Realmslore to me, or are you guys griping just to gripe? |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jul 2010 : 17:28:40
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Brim, I love Ed and everything he writes, and I would have read that regardless...
But the DDi is supposed to be a vehicle for giving monthly Realmslore for use in your game, not an on-going advertisement for future products Hasbro wants to sell me.
I had more here, but I'm getting tired of sounding like a broken record. There was a time when this industry was run by gamers, for gamers.
Not shareholders.  |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 13 Jul 2010 : 18:06:49
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Originally posted by Markustay
Brim, I love Ed and everything he writes, and I would have read that regardless...
But the DDi is supposed to be a vehicle for giving monthly Realmslore for use in your game, not an on-going advertisement for future products Hasbro wants to sell me.
I had more here, but I'm getting tired of sounding like a broken record. There was a time when this industry was run by gamers, for gamers.
Not shareholders.
I you had kept it quiet and not tried to turn so many people on to The Realms , it might not have got so big |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
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Kyrene
Senior Scribe
South Africa
767 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jul 2010 : 19:10:09
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Originally posted by Brimstone
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Originally posted by Brimstone
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Chapter Two
Another Bold Night in Brave Cormyr
So sing out songs and have no fear,
The wine is bright with much good cheer,
Lasses laugh as jacks jest and jeer,
It’s another bold night in brave Cormyr!
from the ballad
Another Bold Night in Brave Cormyr
composed by Andrur Hallowstake
bard of Wheloon
in the Year of the Halls Unhaunted
“Hold! What was that?”
Nice.
Spoilers from Elminster MUST Die!
Looks like Realmslore to me, or are you guys griping just to gripe?
No.
The fact is, with every other product they've released in the last, I don't know how many, years an excerpt was clearly marked as "Excerpt: Something of Other" and I quote from the July Calendar:quote:
28/6 - Free:Excerpt: Demonomicon
29/6 - Free:Excerpt: Tomb of Horrors
2/7 - Free:Excerpt: Demonomicon
5/7 - Free:Excerpt: Demonomicon
7/7 - Free:Excerpt: Tomb of Horrors
etc.
This free 'Realmslore' should have been called what it really is: "Free:Excerpt: Elminster Must Die!" as that is all it is. Yes, there is some Realmslore to be gleaned from it, but it's advertisement first and foremost, not some Realmslore article. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3290 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jul 2010 : 19:12:48
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3256 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jul 2010 : 19:15:01
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Originally posted by Brimstone
So your really just griping to gripe because it's the 'cool thing' to do here at candlekeep...
Actually, it's more because if we gripe at ENWorld or the WotC forums, more than likely we'll get flamed by posters there and be asked to leave since we don't "belong" among the fans there. |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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Kyrene
Senior Scribe
South Africa
767 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jul 2010 : 19:56:58
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Originally posted by Brimstone
So your really just griping to gripe because it's the 'cool thing' to do here at candlekeep...
And you came to that logical conclusion how?  |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3290 Posts |
Posted - 13 Jul 2010 : 23:14:40
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Because it's cool to bash WotC here. I see it everyday here.
Give it 5 years, and WotC will be producing reams and reams of Realmslore and people will still be griping about something.
I don't really care what WotC does or doesn't do with the Realms or D&D for what it's worth anymore.
So lets just agree to disagree and get this scroll back on topic, ok... |
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Mr_Miscellany
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 14 Jul 2010 : 00:00:09
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Actually, it's more because if we gripe at ENWorld or the WotC forums, more than likely we'll get flamed by posters there and be asked to leave since we don't "belong" among the fans there.
I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion. I can't speak for EnWorld (of late, haven't been on their forums) but WotC is fine and dandy.
Fans on the WotC forums gripe too. The more extreme rants don't happen there like they still do here sometimes. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2010 : 00:07:36
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Actually, it's more because if we gripe at ENWorld or the WotC forums, more than likely we'll get flamed by posters there and be asked to leave since we don't "belong" among the fans there.
Enworld, perhaps - I think those guys sleep with their D&D books.
I just take mine out to dinner, and a movie once-in-awhile.
As for the WotC FR boards, you won't get any flak over there... unless its from your own echo.
You should stop by - I managed to pick up a couple of new ones for my tumbleweed collection. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 14 Jul 2010 : 02:06:48
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Originally posted by Brimstone
Because it's cool to bash WotC here. I see it everyday here.
You may see it, but I strive to ensure that it doesn't become a "cool" trend here. And it will never be "cool" to bash Wizards or any publisher while I remain a Moderator here at Candlekeep. I won't stand for it. |
Candlekeep Forums Moderator
Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
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"So Saith Ed" -- the collected Candlekeep replies of Ed Greenwood
Zhoth'ilam Folio -- The Electronic Misadventures of a Rambling Sage |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2010 : 10:36:44
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Originally posted by Brimstone
Because it's cool to bash WotC here. I see it everyday here.
So what? A daily bashing of Candlekeep and generalizing of posters as some people see fit, is just as common by now. And yes its just a couple of posters, just as the critique of WotC is minor. I am starting to think people are looking fro a reason to start fights.
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2010 : 19:22:21
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You know, on the topic of feedback for the designers, I am going to be thinking about DDI articles to send in after I get done with a certain large freelancer project (mid August, for better or worse!). I'm wondering what folks would like to see . . .
Note that I can't promise I'll roll with the things suggested, but you guys say you want more Realmslore, well, this is me asking you to be specific. (Nor does it have to be me--I know the James Brothers cruise these sorts of suggestion lists as well.)
FR Channel Divinities that need to be written?
Explore City XXX articles you'd like?
Class/feat paths that are Realms specific?
Eh?
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Bakra
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 14 Jul 2010 : 19:37:19
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
You know, on the topic of feedback for the designers, I am going to be thinking about DDI articles to send in after I get done with a certain large freelancer project (mid August, for better or worse!). I'm wondering what folks would like to see . . .
Note that I can't promise I'll roll with the things suggested, but you guys say you want more Realmslore, well, this is me asking you to be specific. (Nor does it have to be me--I know the James Brothers cruise these sorts of suggestion lists as well.)
FR Channel Divinities that need to be written?
Explore City XXX articles you'd like?
Class/feat paths that are Realms specific?
Eh?
Cheers
How about an article(s) on:
Channel Divinities-- The Red Knight or Waukeen
Explore: Neverwinter, Hap, or Elventree.
Or an article detailing the cities on Selune.
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I hope Candlekeep continues to be the friendly forum of fellow Realms-lovers that it has always been, as we all go through this together. If you don’t want to move to the “new” Realms, that doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with either you or the “old” Realms. Goodness knows Candlekeep, and the hearts of its scribes, are both big enough to accommodate both. If we want them to be.
(Strikes dramatic pose, raises sword to gleam in the sunset, and hopes breeches won’t fall down.)
Enough for now. The Realms lives! I have spoken! Ale and light wines half price, served by a smiling Storm Silverhand fetchingly clad in thigh-high boots and naught else! Ahem . .
So saith Ed. <snip>
love to all,
THO
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 14 Jul 2010 : 20:19:04
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I don't subscribe to the DDi, but if I did, the kinds of articles I would like to see are ones detailing parts of the setting, not the rules.
We have enough rules (In EVERY editon), but the 4e setting is in dire need of a little bit of fleshing-out.
The new 'acquisitions' of Cormyr would be a cool article - I was disappointed that they weren't even mentioned in the Cormyr article. Then again, perhaps that should be left for 'The Brothers James'.
Another area I would love to see more on is that region now controlled by the Wild Elves - there was already a rather short, undetailed article on the place when the DDi was still free, and it piqued my interest.
On the other hand, you probably wouldn't be able to cover an area that has already seen coverage.
I would ask about the region where Mulhorand and Unther used to be, but you probably won't be able to provide any details there, either (I'm guessing that's become someone's 'novel playground').
An article on 'Netherease areas of interest' would be great, but that probably falls under the same heading as the region above.
Hmmmmm... maybe you can give us a few examples of regions you would be allowed to explore? I understand quite a bit was 'left blank' for specific reasons (Evermeet, Nimbral, etc), so it would probably be easier for you to give us a short list of what you can do, or would like to do.
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2010 : 00:46:08
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
You know, on the topic of feedback for the designers, I am going to be thinking about DDI articles to send in after I get done with a certain large freelancer project (mid August, for better or worse!). I'm wondering what folks would like to see . . .
Note that I can't promise I'll roll with the things suggested, but you guys say you want more Realmslore, well, this is me asking you to be specific. (Nor does it have to be me--I know the James Brothers cruise these sorts of suggestion lists as well.)
FR Channel Divinities that need to be written?
Explore City XXX articles you'd like?
Class/feat paths that are Realms specific?
Eh?
Cheers
The Red Knight is wayyyyyyy overdue for some love! |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 15 Jul 2010 : 01:28:06
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
FR Channel Divinities that need to be written?
Oghma.
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Explore City XXX articles you'd like?
Darromar, Myth Nantar, [not really a city, but] Serpent Hills, the Citadel, or Lyrabar or New Sarshel, anywhere in Erlkazar, Luthcheq, or any one of the remaining Border Kingdoms cities.
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Class/feat paths that are Realms specific?
Not sure whether it's "do-able" at this point, but anything relating to the psionic classes. |
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"So Saith Ed" -- the collected Candlekeep replies of Ed Greenwood
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3256 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2010 : 01:58:19
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FR Channel Divinities that need to be written?
More on Selűne's status and her ongoing 'war' with Sharquote:
Explore City XXX articles you'd like?
Not really a city, but more on Kara-tur. |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2010 : 02:08:54
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I would say they are saving psionics and Kara-Tur for the DS and eventual OA books.
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Originally posted by The Sage
Darromar, Myth Nantar, [not really a city, but] Serpent Hills, the Citadel, or Lyrabar or New Sarshel, anywhere in Erlkazar, <snip>
Oh! You just reminded me!
I never finished placing all the locales on my latest iteration of the Erlkazar map (no locales have been really placed on that one yet). I should finish that, maybe it will inspire him.
Unfortunately.... 'Mark Time' is little better then 'Sage Time'. |
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Kyrene
Senior Scribe
South Africa
767 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2010 : 09:10:06
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
FR Channel Divinities that need to be written?
Tempus!quote:
Explore City XXX articles you'd like?
Neverwinter, seconded. Port Llast or Leilon.quote:
Class/feat paths that are Realms specific?
Shadow Thief of Amn (the 3.0/3.5E PrC) path and for something new (although it was attempted in NWN2) a Neverwinter Nine path. |
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Tyranthraxus
Senior Scribe
Netherlands
423 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2010 : 12:09:59
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
FR Channel Divinities that need to be written?
Finder Wyvernspur, if he's still alive and kicking
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Explore City XXX articles you'd like?
Neverwinter or Myth Drannor after the Return
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Bladesinger would be an excellent swordmage Paragon Path. |
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Bakra
Senior Scribe
628 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2010 : 15:42:34
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| An article on Finder Wyvernspur is a good suggestion. Also some more information on the Saurials would be nice. |
I hope Candlekeep continues to be the friendly forum of fellow Realms-lovers that it has always been, as we all go through this together. If you don’t want to move to the “new” Realms, that doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with either you or the “old” Realms. Goodness knows Candlekeep, and the hearts of its scribes, are both big enough to accommodate both. If we want them to be.
(Strikes dramatic pose, raises sword to gleam in the sunset, and hopes breeches won’t fall down.)
Enough for now. The Realms lives! I have spoken! Ale and light wines half price, served by a smiling Storm Silverhand fetchingly clad in thigh-high boots and naught else! Ahem . .
So saith Ed. <snip>
love to all,
THO
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arry
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
317 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2010 : 16:04:49
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| I would like to see more information on Ostoria or the civilization that originally built the Citadel of the Raven. Or does it have to be in the contemporary 4e Realms? |
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