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Diffan
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 Posted - 02 Nov 2011 : 14:03:22
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Originally posted by entreri3478
This sort of reminded me of something i have always been curious about: If you cast a "timestop" spell in a D&D setting, what is the effect on those in the near vicinity? Example: if you cast it in Undermountain, would time stop for all citizens in Waterdeep?
It's limited to a small vacinity within the spell. For example, in one of Rich Baker's novels with the Demonfey (can't recall which one) the wizard/arch-mage of Hillsfar cast Timestop with the Countess Sarya Dlardrageth being right in front of him and it appeard as if he moved with the blink of an eye but time worked outside of the "bubble". |
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Markustay
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Posted - 02 Nov 2011 : 14:16:44
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Technically, I think the answer would be 'yes'. I have also thought about that spell before, and I get the idea that the entire rest of the universe stops for the caster.
One can theorize that it is plane or sphere-specific, but even that is too uber.
Here is the way I have worked it out IMG - the spell does NOT effect everything else - it actually places a special field-effect around the user: Immunity from Time. The spell slices-off a piece of time from the regular timestream (Temporal Prime) and creates a small buddle. Paradoxically, it has a duration, which is calculated inside of the field-effect. The rest of the universe doesn't stop, so much as the person is temporarily moving 'outside of the timestream'.
Ergo, when Elminster is able to move during someone else's Time-stop in that Wizard's Three article, they are actually activating a contingency (something Elminster is well known for) which sets-off a unique spell that extends the field-effect of the Time-Stop to include Elminster.
Another way of looking at it is that everything else is moving, but incredibly slow compared to the user. That creates other unfortunate effects, however, like a suction of wind behind someone who runs, or breaking someones bones if you touched them while under the spell, etc. I once saw a pic of straw stuck in a telephone pole after a Hurricane - things moving at those kinds of speeds would tear other things apart, which that spell doesn't allow. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 02 Nov 2011 : 14:23:16
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Originally posted by entreri3478
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Originally posted by Ayrik
Magic in D&D is wondrous in that it allows whatever scope the DM/author desires. For the most part things are restricted to limited proximity in time or space or association, reality is changed but only within some sort of local context. Yet there are spells like wish and alter reality and time travel, and things like wild magic ... it is conceivable that all of reality is altered, insofar as the caster can discern, because a new reality (parallel world, whatever) is created to accomodate his magical manipulations.
This sort of reminded me of something i have always been curious about: If you cast a "timestop" spell in a D&D setting, what is the effect on those in the near vicinity? Example: if you cast it in Undermountain, would time stop for all citizens in Waterdeep?
I guess the vicinity is relatively unaffected, unless the changes in the target locale are so great, like being transmuted into a "normal" mountain. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 02 Nov 2011 : 14:27:35
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In MtG, the [annoying elven] planeswalker Freyalise once portaled a huge chunk of a continent in Dominaria. Did something like that ever happened in Toril? Had someone or some group attempted such thing? |
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Markustay
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Posted - 02 Nov 2011 : 14:45:12
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Good question.
This happened a lot during the Spellplague, and according to Brian R. James, many times in Toril's past (which is why I theorize Maztica didn't leave, it just 'went home'). However, I am unaware of anyone ever deliberately being able to replicate this effect.
In my HB material on the Fey, I have them doing just that - creating the Realm of Faerie in the Feywild, which may have already existed, or formed around Faerie as time went on. Either way, it certainly isn't anything canonical.
EDIT: Evermeet!!! 
The Elves/Eladrin cast a High-Magic ritual that "reached backwards and forwards in time", and created Evermeet on Toril. It has been a standing theory that Evermeet is actually Tintageer, the Elven homeland from Faerie, pulled through time by that spell. This theory was made official in a vingette in tGHotR (yet, still only a theory). |
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Dennis
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Posted - 02 Nov 2011 : 14:52:06
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The planes of MtG are peopled with powerful beings who are gods in their own right, just without the divine rank. And Faerun isn't lacking of such beings, either. So I'm curious if some sane but desperate [or hopelessly insane] individual had ever done it. |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 02 Nov 2011 : 19:13:24
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What is the magnitude of effect from a time stop spell? A question for physicists and philosophers.
The physicist in me demands a workable provable explanation, one that can be consistently applied throughout every universe ... but there aren't physicists (as we know them) in D&D worlds. There are mages (who might know these answers), and philosophers (who only provide answers which either make no sense or far too much of it), and priests (who firmly support whatever position their deity proclaims). The explanations need not follow rules which make any sense to us in scientific terms; in fact, the rules oft seem rather arbitrary and nonreproducible, varying from casting to casting as different DMs/authors are forced to contend with them. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 02 Nov 2011 : 20:44:55
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Originally posted by Ayrik
What is the magnitude of effect from a time stop spell? A question for physicists and philosophers.
The physicist in me demands a workable provable explanation, one that can be consistently applied throughout every universe ... but there aren't physicists (as we know them) in D&D worlds. There are mages (who might know these answers), and philosophers (who only provide answers which either make no sense or far too much of it), and priests (who firmly support whatever position their deity proclaims). The explanations need not follow rules which make any sense to us in scientific terms; in fact, the rules oft seem rather arbitrary and nonreproducible, varying from casting to casting as different DMs/authors are forced to contend with them.
I personally feel that the spell doesn't actually stop time as much as it accelerates the caster so much it's like time was stopped -- like a seriously souped-up Haste spell. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 03 Nov 2011 : 00:13:37
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Ayrik
What is the magnitude of effect from a time stop spell? A question for physicists and philosophers.
The physicist in me demands a workable provable explanation, one that can be consistently applied throughout every universe ... but there aren't physicists (as we know them) in D&D worlds. There are mages (who might know these answers), and philosophers (who only provide answers which either make no sense or far too much of it), and priests (who firmly support whatever position their deity proclaims). The explanations need not follow rules which make any sense to us in scientific terms; in fact, the rules oft seem rather arbitrary and nonreproducible, varying from casting to casting as different DMs/authors are forced to contend with them.
I personally feel that the spell doesn't actually stop time as much as it accelerates the caster so much it's like time was stopped -- like a seriously souped-up Haste spell.
I usually interpret the spell as accessing the temporal prime beyond Realmspace, and bringing the caster in to relative temporal motion with that plane. Thus, the spellcaster moves "in time" with the demiplane of time, rather than the temporal structure of Realmspace. So from the spellcaster's perspective, the progress of time has changed, while for the outside observer, time proceeds normally, but the spellcaster has moved beyond their observance of time in the Realms.
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Sill Alias
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Posted - 16 Nov 2011 : 05:13:17
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Got a good one, I think.
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Seethyr
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Posted - 16 Nov 2011 : 05:20:02
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Got a good one, I think.
What you get when you crossbreed werewolf and wolfwere?
Simple....
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 16 Nov 2011 : 05:32:23
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Originally posted by Sill Alias
Got a good one, I think.
What you get when you crossbreed werewolf and wolfwere?
Some very confused cubs. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 16 Nov 2011 : 15:37:47
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A werewolfwere?
Something that is forced to change from a wolfwere to a human (or whatever the werewolf's 'normal' form is) under a full moon.
I can see how that would be inconvenient - "Hey look, guys! Harry just became dinner!"
Now, if that then mates with a Loup Garou, the offspring would be a Lupus transvetitus... a very rare creature indeed (and scary!)
Hmmm... what if the Wolfwerewolf mated with a Loup Garou/Dire Wolf hybrid? Then you would have a Lupus transvestitus gigantes.
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Alystra Illianniis
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Sill Alias
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Posted - 19 Nov 2011 : 08:40:45
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| To continue a theme of werethings. Can there be weregolems? Imagine what happens if someone constructs one and what would it be like? |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 19 Nov 2011 : 13:59:53
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To continue a theme of werethings. Can there be weregolems? Imagine what happens if someone constructs one and what would it be like?
I don't see how a inanimate object could be cursed to assume some animal form, and certainly not the other way around. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 19 Nov 2011 : 20:54:04
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Something along the lines of Benjamin Grimm (The Thing), perhaps. He occasionally gets to be human again (never for very long, though).
However, his 'rock form' could not be considered a true Golem, but more like an earth elemental, so he would be something of a were-elemental.
A golem that becomes 'alive' for a short time each month sounds kinda like pinnochio (or Data, or any number of such plots), but usually in stories like that the creature wishes to be 'real' (human), and if the change does occur, it is usually permanent (and the final objective of the story itself).
I could see the victim of a tragic, magical accident - something akin to a half-golem - where a living being is merged with a golem, and must spend most of its time in that form (something like Alphonse Elric, or that FR character from the comics). However, usually such a condition is permanent, until 'cured'. Theoretically you could speculate that there is a curse involved, and the creature gets to be human again for short periods each month - I can site the movie Ladyhawke for such a curse (although the charcters became animals, not Golems, but it is something in the same vein of what I was thinking). |
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Alystra Illianniis
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The Sage
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Posted - 22 Nov 2011 : 01:23:55
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That brings up an interesting possibility. dorn Greybrook from YoRD trilogy was a half-golem. Could he have become a lycanthrope? And if so, what would it do to his golem half? This could apply to any character with that "type".
I'd imagine this would result in something of the already-established hybrid-lycanthropic form [such as the lythari are said to possess in 3e].
Perhaps his half-golem structure allows only his lycanthropic biological half to transform -- resulting in a cross between the lycanthropic humanoid form and his golem form. In other words... only the living portion of Dorn's form changes, while the golem half remains the same.
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Wolfhound75
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Posted - 22 Nov 2011 : 03:43:24
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What if the Harpell (name escapes me at the moment) who turned himself into the family dog through "a tragic magical accident" as Markustay said, had then become lycanthropic? Since he's already in a canine form, would he then turn human at the full moon?
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Ayrik
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Posted - 22 Nov 2011 : 03:52:18
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Dennis
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Posted - 22 Nov 2011 : 04:29:39
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Markustay
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Posted - 22 Nov 2011 : 16:33:06
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You ask the strangest questions. 
As for an answer, I am just not seeing it (as either its intended purpose, or what usually becomes its actual purpose).
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Half-golem? Is that basically a cyborg, a mixture of flesh and technology?
Not so much technology, as Golemancy (the magical variant of robotics).
But basically, yeah... something half-alive, and half-'machine'.
Along this same vein, in the Book of the New Sun series, Severian meets a half-golem (cyborg, considering its supposed to be the far future), who is very upset about its 'bad parts' and wants to be fixed. You see, it was a robot, and after crash-landing on Earth, somebody fixed it by putting together the 'leftovers' from the rest of the crew (something similar to what happened to to the character Vina in the ST episode The Managerie). I thought that was a rather clever reversal of the typical 'Pinnochio' scenario.
Now for my own stupid question - what would the offspring of an Aasimar and a Cambion (or Alu-fiend) be?
And don't say "Little Nicky".
Are there any instances of fiend/celestial hybrids? |
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Yoss
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Posted - 23 Nov 2011 : 00:07:32
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| This would qualify as stupid and/or silly: why do most dudes in fantasy settings have long hair? Ok, so you're out adventuring and you don't necessarily have time to get it cut. But you think that they'd still hack some of it off in the interest of not getting it sticks and stuff caught in it, or flapping around in your eyes in a fight. Or just ask the nearest mage to help (assuming they don't opt to burn it off with a fireball, melting your face along with it)... |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 23 Nov 2011 : 00:29:24
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| Interesting question. And although the title of this thread (created by yours truly, BTW) is stupid questions, it was created for any and all of those off-the-wall questions we all have from time to time- like yours, Yoss. I think the answer is probably for artistic reasons. conan was always shown in the art with long hair, to show his "barbarian-ness". I imagine most fantasy art has long-haired guys for the same reason. The stories just seem to follow along with that. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 23 Nov 2011 : 03:18:49
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This would qualify as stupid and/or silly: why do most dudes in fantasy settings have long hair? Ok, so you're out adventuring and you don't necessarily have time to get it cut. But you think that they'd still hack some of it off in the interest of not getting it sticks and stuff caught in it, or flapping around in your eyes in a fight. Or just ask the nearest mage to help (assuming they don't opt to burn it off with a fireball, melting your face along with it)...
In some cultures, hair is considered a sign of virility, much like a lion's mane. Perhaps fantasy men oft have long hair to emphasize their virility/masculinity. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 23 Nov 2011 : 03:32:04
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'Tis also a good natural "scarf," specially among barbarians living in frigid places. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 23 Nov 2011 : 04:12:50
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Do dragons eat/kill their malformed/abnormal young? |
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The Sage
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Posted - 23 Nov 2011 : 05:00:34
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Do dragons eat/kill their malformed/abnormal young?
I'd imagine the chromatic dragon-types often either kill or abandon malformed young. [Though, I've a sneaking suspicion that the Cult of the Dragon may, at times, secure such young {and likely abandoned} draconic forms for their own dracolich-making purposes.]
The metallic dragons, on the other hand, may simply seek to either heal or mercifully end the lives of such abnormals.
FOR1 Draconomicon notes that new intermediary dragon-types/strains can come from non-traditional unions between dragons -- so I'd assume the possibility for malformed young is, while not a common occurrence, more frequent than simply being categorised as "virtually rare." |
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