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Dennis
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And I remember reading something like it in not a few "lean" novels that plagued [albeit in a good way] the 90s. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 : 07:41:58
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White roses turning red with blood? Why does that sound like something out of Wonderland?
Nepenthes Rajah, especially my giant ones, are not as delicate-looking as white roses. |
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Fellfire
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 : 08:04:55
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| There was a Vampiric Merman in the Vampires of Waterdeep arc. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 : 09:26:53
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| I do vaguely recall a module having a garden, orchard, or maze made of bloodsucking vines and flowers ... fireproof, dangerous to hack, rapidly regenerating, thirsty vicious nasty little vines and flowers ... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 : 09:35:46
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White roses turning red with blood? Why does that sound like something out of Wonderland?
It's actually the focus of "The Nightingale and the Rose" by Oscar Wilde.
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 : 10:20:21
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| Speaking of aquatic vampires, Legacy of Kain vampires reacted to water as if it were acid, except for one clan that evolved to an anphibious existance at the cost of increased vulnerability to sunlight. Most of them looked like the humanoid, snake-headed yaun-ti, while their progenitor was closer to a yaun-ti abomination. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 : 17:56:34
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I KNOW there is an aquatic vampire in D&D (no... not the Ixitxachitl) IIRC, it began with a 'v'.... Hmmmmm..... must check OLD sources...*
And there is a keep in Cormyr (the NE border, really) called Castle Stone, which contains a garden full of vampiric roses, capable of 'controlling' its victims (similar to how human vamps have minions). Although the roses were 'defeated' in A matter of thorns (Realms of Infamy, pg.145), one could easily assume they 'came back' if one wanted to run an adventure there.
And vamps are only incapable of crossing running water - Oceans and seas do not 'run' (although I DM it that they will leave at High Tide, when the tide is neither coming in or going out... just as a precaution). My inclinations in this regard is that running water contains minute amounts of 'positive' (Radiant) energy, and vamps find it distasteful (it doesn't actually harm them, but it reminds them enough of Holy Water to make them recoil from it... at least the weaker ones).
EDIT: Found it! Its called the Velya, and its in the OD&D Creature Catalogue.
*I can actually picture the illustration perfectly, and yet I checked all the sources I thought it would be in (the 1e MM's and FF), and still haven't found it. I may have to go back even further (OD&D). |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 : 19:53:46
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| That's not entirely true; oceans have major currents that run through them much like rivers. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 : 20:36:24
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Well, yeah... but...
In lore (not just D&D/FR lore) they have been known to cross seas (else how did they get to the Americas?), and there is the matter of at least two underwater vampire species (the Velya I found, and the vampiric ixitxachitl), so sometimes we have to 'fudge things' just a bit.
Also, it could be that only fresh water has this affect (don't ask me why - I would think salty water would be a better Medium for 'life energy', but whatever).
Or it could just be that they cannot cross water while 'awake' (but comatose in their coffins they can travel thusly). |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 : 20:44:56
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I believe there was at least one setting...I want to say Vampire Hunter D but I'm not sure, where a vampire crossing the ocean was forced to sleep in a coffin while doing so.
All of this being said, I don't use the water weaknesses for my hb vampires. Holy water(and arcane enhanced water), yes, but not just plain water. Too much of a weaksauce weakness for creatures that I believe should be fairly high up on the food chain. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 : 21:04:54
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Even Dracula was able to be shipped someplace.
Wouldn't it be an interesting variation if there was a vampire who was otherwise identical to regular vampires, but was bound to a large body of water? Say, for example, a vampire that could travel up and down the length of a river without issue, could cross from one side to the other and possibly even swim in it if he wanted, but couldn't move more than say 500 feet or a mile away from it? |
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Laerrigan
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 : 21:36:22
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Hmm. A "haunting presence" vampire (I thought that template was in Libris Mortis, but apparently I'll have to look further for it), tied to a body of water instead of a building or object*. Nice idea. Very very difficult to destroy for good, as the body of water would have to be destroyed to keep the vampire from simply reappearing with time. Unless of course the DM wanted to be nice and give the vampire a personal weakness tied into its story/personality that the hapless adventurers could figure out.
Water weakness depends on what bit of vampire lore you want to draw from. My understanding is that the oldest known legends, centuries ago, didn't give them any sensitivity at all to water or sunlight. And though it's been a few years since I last read Dracula, I don't recall offhand any water sensitivity being stated, aside from him being unable to cross running water (including the sea) by his own power. As Sage said, he had himself shipped in a coffin encased in a crate. Even then, he didn't need to remain in the coffin the whole time; he came out and terrorized the crew until no one was left alive on the ship when it reached shore (and paranoid madness in the vein *ahem* of "The Thing" had run rampant among the crew before that). The journal entries and newspaper article surrounding the voyage and landing of the Czarina Catherine comprised one of the best sequences in the book, IMO . Buncha fun psychological stuff....
Anyhoo, Dracula also had no pronounced aversion to sunlight, he merely lost his powers briefly at noon and midnight. Sunlight sensitivity didn't firmly enter the vampire myth until "Nosferatu" in 1922, IIRC. Soooooo, if you're looking at making non-canon vampire creatures/templates anyway, why bother hanging onto problems with running water (or sun) at all? Especially if it's a naturally aquatic creature that's gotten vamped---one would think it would have an inherent tie to water.
* EDIT: Turns out it's a variant rule on p. 6, not a template, and it looks like a small body of water or perhaps a short stretch of river would be perfectly within that variant's bounds. Though if you want the vampire to manifest physically more than a few times a week, it'd take some rule-tweaking. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 : 21:57:34
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Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus
I believe there was at least one setting...I want to say Vampire Hunter D but I'm not sure, where a vampire crossing the ocean was forced to sleep in a coffin while doing so.
In most movies, etc thats how I always see it - the vampire remains in its coffin, which is sitting on a wee bit of their burial earth (grave-dirt), which allows them to move around like that.
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Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus
All of this being said, I don't use the water weaknesses for my hb vampires. Holy water(and arcane enhanced water), yes, but not just plain water. Too much of a weaksauce weakness for creatures that I believe should be fairly high up on the food chain.
I do, but its one of the first weaknesses vamps overcome.
Just as it is in the Ravenloft guides, vamps have many weaknesses, but they loose them as time goes on. A truly ancient vampire has almost no weaknesses, and is something even a lich would give wide berth.
Although I don't 'write them up' (I see no point for encounter-level 'bad guys'), I consider ALL monsters (and especially undead) to have PrC's. Just as dragon progresses, so does everything else. even un-life itself can take on the semblance of life if it lasts long enough. for instance, if a zombie somehow manages to stick-around for a few centuries, its flesh would have rotted away, but it wouldn't have turned into a skeleton, which is a lesser form of undead - it would have turned into some form of skeletal warrior, or perhaps a ghoul, where it has developed some freewill (like an animal level of Int.). |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 : 22:55:46
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Just to elaborate on Laerrigan's post info- Dracula lost his powers only during the day, EXCEPT at noon, midnight was still just fine. He also did not bother with a coffin in the crates, just the "home soil" dug up by the Gypsies under the castle. He did not seem to have a problem crossing over bridges in a carriage, so running water is not that big a problem.
Conversely, Elrod's vamps had a serious weakness to running water, in that they felt queasy and weak when attempting it, even on a boat or over a bridge, and could not abide direct contact with it, as it forced them to turn incorporeal. A bath or being splashed by water was fine, but the free-flowing stuff gave them the heebie-jeebies to the point of being unable to remain solid! I kind of like that take. Also, their problem with wood was from ANY injury from wooden objects, not just a stake in the heart. In the Vampire Files books, Jack (the vamp main character) gets smacked on the head on several occasions with heavy wooden objects, and it takes much longer to heal than a simple gun-shot wound to the chest! At one point, even just the slivers of wood in his scalp from a table kept him from healing properly. He also could not sleep without his home soil with him. He kept it in a money-belt that he wore almost constantly in case he was caught away from his sanctuary at dawn. He never bothered with a coffin, however, as it was too morbid for his taste, and drew too much attention to move around. |
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Laerrigan
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Posted - 03 Apr 2011 : 23:32:25
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| Jeez, I need to do some re-reading....lol. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 04 Apr 2011 : 01:50:14
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Wouldn't it be an interesting variation if there was a vampire who was otherwise identical to regular vampires, but was bound to a large body of water? Say, for example, a vampire that could travel up and down the length of a river without issue, could cross from one side to the other and possibly even swim in it if he wanted, but couldn't move more than say 500 feet or a mile away from it?
I've wondered about that myself... and about the prospect of forging a greater link between the newly born vampire and the location of the mortal's first transformation into a vampire. Like a ghost with an affinity for the place it was killed when alive.
Maybe a vampire created on an ocean-going vessel develops a special connection to the water beneath? |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 04 Apr 2011 : 02:00:05
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A vampire's inability to enter/cross running water is a supernatural constraint, it really doesn't have to make sense to us. It is as impossible for a vampire to walk across a river or survive in sunlight as for a human to, say, survive in hard vacuum. Supernatural constraints are more difficult to magically bypass than physical constraints.
My usual (homebrew) ruling has been that vampires can physically enter or cross running water. Their problem is that it instantly renders them dormant; this is of course not a problem if they plan to remain dormant while on board a ship. Stronger vamps might be able to ignore their instinctive warnings about moving into/across such water (for a time) - though denying their own inner nature is strenuous ... and risky since they might fail and sink to the bottom where they'll remain dormant indefinitely (at least they don't need to breathe, though they will slowly starve and there's even odds they'll be fished out during daylight conditions). |
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ChieftainTwilight
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Posted - 04 Apr 2011 : 02:46:59
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ya know, I was looking at the Diablo version of AD&D, and I saw that they ahd a vey interesting set of Vampires....
they, like all the creatures in that book, came in different exact forms for different levels; same basic creature, but their powers and motivations changed as they became more powerful. and just about everything was Demon or somehow had Fiendish Powers.
the Vampires were like ghastly skeletons wreathed in flame. the weakest ones still had some desire to return to their living selves; the next level ones were able to command Ghouls; the ones after that were often motivated to dominate other people; after that were these completely insane pyromaniacs; and finally, came the Blood Lords, who were most like "Traditional" Vampires in that they had the most desire to hunt and feed on the Blood of the Living. it is awesome, because it plays perfectly with my belief that the Souls of the Dead (especially those who wind up in Hell or Purgatory) become more and more consumed with their negative emotions, driven to madness and hostility, and eventually becoming Fiends.
I realy wanna take these Demonic Vampire Spectres and incorporate them into my game. I'm also intersted in the idea behind different abilities/weakness at different levels, and of variations to the exact traits based on the type of Vampire (such as Plant Creatures, Aquatic Creatures, etceter). |
and a heart can only break so many times
and I've been to hell and back so many times
and I've seen folks walk away so many times
but just like anyone else I gotta stand up by myself
and a heart can only break so many times
a heart can only break so many times
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 04 Apr 2011 : 03:16:40
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| Vampires never had a problem surviving in sunlight up until the silent film Nosferatu. It was VERY loose adaptation of Dracula, combined with some other minor vampire stories like Feast of Blood, and old Romanian legends. however, in the older legends, a vampire could be dug up during the day and not be harmed at all- it was simply dormant. Even a stake in the heart was no guarantee that it was destroyed- for that, one had to cut off the head, fill the mouth with garlic, and place it between the knees before putting it back in the grave, or alternately burning the entire thing and scattering the ashes on holy ground. There is, in fact, some ancient lore on vampires from Roman and even further back in Greek times, and the lamia was originally a blood-drinking demon that stole and killed small children, as well. Feast of Blood offered the first real vision of vampires as sophisticated noble-types seducing young women. (Count Varney was quite the lady-killer, LOL!!) Elizabeth Yarborough's St. Germain was another vampire of a more "noble" and intelligent bent, well before the current craze. |
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ChieftainTwilight
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Posted - 04 Apr 2011 : 03:26:43
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| do you think the sexification came about as a direct adoration with Romanian Men? ^///^ I've slept with two of them before, both pretty wealthy... I wasn't a very proud person back then, especially in either of their presence, but I still consider those some of my Proudest Moments... |
and a heart can only break so many times
and I've been to hell and back so many times
and I've seen folks walk away so many times
but just like anyone else I gotta stand up by myself
and a heart can only break so many times
a heart can only break so many times
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Ayrik
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Posted - 04 Apr 2011 : 03:53:30
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| Most of the transformation (and sexing up) of vampires was invented and reinvented by Hollywood, though of course the most recent wave of sexy/immortal/complex vampires was initially inspired by Anne Rice. Wolfmen and were-creatures, just like vampires of old, are trading their awful low-budget prosthetics for awesome modern effects (CGI, gadgets/firepower, and Wire-Fu stuntfighting) and emerging as sexy sophisticated streetwise predators. Even mummies and ghosts and devils and doppelshifters are seeing a bit of sexy resurgence. The only classic monsters remaining are those lurching Frankengolem jugheads, they're unfortunately evolving into borg and leaving the sex for hot succubus and fey/faerie creatures (who are, incidentally, also becoming mainstream). Plus these day's it seems like everybody on screen who's not a vampire is instead some kind of supermutant. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 04 Apr 2011 : 04:00:47
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| Actually, the most recent Frankenstein movie (and the book, too, BTW) showed him as a feeling, even intelligent being, who was in fact as much a victim as those he killed in his quest for revenge against his maker. This was another book I was required to study in my Eng. Lit. classes (gotta LOVE Gifted programs- so much fun stuff to read!) along with Jeckle/Hyde, Dorian Gray, and so many other famous movie baddies. |
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Laerrigan
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Posted - 04 Apr 2011 : 04:23:50
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| You lucky butt. I had to read crap about hopelessness and suicide with the all-encompassing message of SOCIETY AND HUMANITY SUCK SO KILL YOURSELF. Yeah, great stuff for teens...Thank goodness for CliffsNotes. I would have LOVED to read the intelligent, meaningful classics of horror and work on insightful analysis of them. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 04 Apr 2011 : 04:34:03
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| Aye! (Were your ears burning? I was just talking about you over at the inn, lol!) I was fortunate enough to be in the local Gifted program for English and history. (Our reading list was AMAZING!) Our class had a theme for each year, and my Junior year was- "Dark Side of Man". Yes, we got to read all the classic horror and dark stuff. I gotta say, after reading the original versions of some fairy tales, I would NOT be telling those stories to my kids! "Sorry, Timmy, but Ariel commits suicide because the prince was a jerk and married someone else!" |
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Markustay
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Posted - 04 Apr 2011 : 19:51:39
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Thanks for reminding me of the Diablo/D&D books CT - good call. I will have to re-read those when I am working on my own vamps again.
Okay, so going in a direction similar to 4e (PLEASE - NO comments), we can see how it would be fairly easy to create a vampire 'race', with different, variant 'classes'.
Perhaps all vampires start-off the same, but they have to make a will save in order to avoid being overcome with bloodlust, else they start down the 'feral' (nosferatu) path. We could probably take the various clans from The Masquerade (loved the fluff, but I'm just not found of 'story-teller' games) and turn them into vamp PrCs.
Basically, vamps continue to progress just as they did when they were alive, but now many more options (read: Feats) are open to them. Even resistance to vulnerabilities can be turned into Feats.
I still don't like them as PCs, but it could work within 3e's framework of everything having classes.
I still like to connect 'running water' with some sort of ambient 'spirit energy', but that has more to do with my own RW beliefs in such things then anything D&D. For instance, Incorporeal undead prefer to be near water, because they draw upon that energy to manifest.
Which leads me to believe that corporeal undead and incorporeal undead come from two different 'power sources'. This harkens back to the days when mummies were still created with positive energy (something they 'fixed' in 3e). I am trying to turn this into some kind of workable system for undead in my games. |
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Posted - 04 Apr 2011 : 20:20:29
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| Monte Cook's World of Darkness puts a d20 spin on World of Darkness werewolves, vampires, and mages. Also, Necromancers of the Northwest have a free Pathfinder vampire supplement, Liber Vampyr. Those might be helpful sources. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 04 Apr 2011 : 20:53:06
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Thanks for that.
It never ceases to amaze me how many quality products Paizo has done since embracing OGL. I can't believe that they are giving-away a 90-pg. book like that for FREE - those guys never fail to impress.
I'll have to check-into the Monte Cook stuff as well - he is old-school, and nearly everything he touches is also golden. |
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Immmunity to vampirism?
