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Acrilos
Acolyte
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 Posted - 29 Apr 2011 : 17:33:25
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I am planning start a campaign in Returned Abeir and was wondering a few things about what people in Abeir usually worshipped. We know of course that deities have no influence on this world and this is probably why in the FRCG it is said that about the people from Returned Abeir : "Organized religion in Returned Abeir (faiths, simple shrines, and traveling clergy) is something new; even the concept of gods who answer prayers is still alien to many..."
We also can read if the FRPG in the dragonborn entry that : "Since Abeir was without divine influence, at least in a way that most people of Toril understand, dragonborn regard the gods and their servants with suspicion..."
This last sentence lets suppose that there was some kind of non-divine influence then. Does it mean that on Abeir, primordials are some kind of "deities"? Are they worshiped in some way? Or maybe even dragons?
The first sentence I quoted makes certain that there is no divine power source on Abeir, but what of the primal power source? Nothing I can read is really clear about that? Would it be common to find druids or shamans on Abeir and per se on Returned Abeir?
I know that know some deities have turned their influence of Returned Abeir, but bascially the people there have to have some belifs of their own, even if many among them were slaves of dragons.
Also what races are native from Abeir? We can read reference to dragonborn, genasi, humans, dwarves...what about the others? Since the fey races are a cursiosity there, I guess there do not exist on Abeir, or at least not common.
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Chosen of Asmodeus
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Posted - 29 Apr 2011 : 18:32:29
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| To answer the last question; orcs presumably exist on Abeir as half orcs exist as well. The rest, I'm fuzzier on. I'll be able to check my sources later tonight. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Apr 2011 : 21:50:15
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| -Well, we know that "Abeir" was the Primordials'. On "Toril", we have plenty of instances of Deities (1e-2e-3e)-turned-Primordials (4e) being worshiped, and granting spells, so it would reason that if they did on "Toril", they could also do so on "Abeir", if individuals prayed to them. We also know the Dragons kinda betrayed the Primordials, and kinda took over things on "Abeir", so perhaps Draconic dominion on "Abeir"- or, at least what we can gleam as Draconic dominion, based on the very light information we have- put a cramp on individuals from "Abeir" worshiping Primordials. Since the Primordials who are alive on "Abeir" are 'sleeping' in the mountainous region of Fimbrul, perhaps they're in a precarious situation, and don't grant the spells to those on "Abeir" who pray to them, knowing that if they do, in their apparently exposed states, they could be easy pray for things wishing them harm- Dragons. |
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Marc
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Posted - 29 Apr 2011 : 22:17:27
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| you could say these primordials are like the elemental gods of before, not that involved, take the ''churches'' of Kossuth or Grumbar for example |
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Acrilos
Acolyte
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Posted - 30 Apr 2011 : 10:22:40
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Yes I understand what you mean. Primordials could be considered as gods by the people of Abeir but what bothers me is the sentence from the FRCG, page 200 :
"Organized religion in Returned Abeir (faiths, simple shrines, and traveling clergy) is something new; even the concept of gods who answer prayers is still alien to many..."
This let suposes that there are no temples or shrines dedicated to the primordials. No organized church either. I was therefore under the impression that the divine power source did not exist and the primal power was its substitue. So druids, seekers, shamans exist but not clerics, paladins, invokers etc...
How do people get their primrodial powers then? Do they invoke the spirits of the land (the primordials's presence could have infused the land with the power the primal characters use), much like in Dark Sun or do they revere the primordials in secrecy due to the danger the dragons represent? |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
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Posted - 30 Apr 2011 : 12:20:38
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| Primordials on Abier haven't had much in the way of power for several thousand years; they were defeated and cast down by the dragons. |
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Lord Karsus
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Apr 2011 : 21:54:19
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Originally posted by Acrilos
Yes I understand what you mean. Primordials could be considered as gods by the people of Abeir but what bothers me is the sentence from the FRCG, page 200 :
"Organized religion in Returned Abeir (faiths, simple shrines, and traveling clergy) is something new; even the concept of gods who answer prayers is still alien to many..."
This let suposes that there are no temples or shrines dedicated to the primordials. No organized church either. I was therefore under the impression that the divine power source did not exist and the primal power was its substitue. So druids, seekers, shamans exist but not clerics, paladins, invokers etc...
How do people get their primrodial powers then? Do they invoke the spirits of the land (the primordials's presence could have infused the land with the power the primal characters use), much like in Dark Sun or do they revere the primordials in secrecy due to the danger the dragons represent?
-Don't know nothing about the 4e mechanics making it all wonky, but given that, primarily the 1-e-2e-3e Deities turned 4e Primordials are elemental deities, those that are invoking the power of those respective elements (Druids, for example) are being empowered by those 1-e-2e-3e Deities turned 4e Primordials, whether they know it or not. In the Forgotten Realms, Druidic Divine magic does not stem from nature, but a specific nature Deity/Primordial, who is granting the caster his/her/its power. So, they could be thinking their getting their power from X, when they're really getting it from Z, making the direct worship of Z foreign to them. |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 02 May 2011 : 03:22:30
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| 4e changed that, realms included. Druids, shaman, barbarians, couple other primal classes I don't remember the name of are all fueled by the "Natural Spirits"(or was it primal spirits...can never remember), a third party separate from the Deities and the Primordials. |
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Acrilos
Acolyte
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Posted - 02 May 2011 : 12:12:53
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Thanks for all the answers.
Indeed, when we read the definition of the Primal power source it is : "Powers that draw on the spirits of nature that pervade the world."
So the Primordials have no direct link to primal characters with this definition. I would then allow then on Returned Abeir.
It was rightfully said above that some primordials are worshipped as are the gods (Kossuth for example).
But there is one kind of problem I can have with the primal power source definition since in my campagin, for example, most druids worship Chauntea or Silvanus. They're not nature spirits, they're deities and they live in the Astral Sea.
Obviously on Returned Abeir, druids worship the spirits of nature, not deities linked to nature. |
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Edited by - Acrilos on 02 May 2011 12:16:08 |
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Snowblood
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Posted - 02 May 2011 : 13:02:32
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| Think Athas and the way small sects would worship the elementals...but not in any organised way...just regional variations on a theme...then throw in druids who worship nature spirits and small circles...but no gods....no organised religions. |
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