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mr.lee
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Norway
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 Posted - 26 Dec 2003 : 16:14:15
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I've seen people using the name "Lolth", but in my version of the book "Homeland"(1st book of the Dark Elf triology) The spider queen is called "Lloth"(not "Lolth"). This cofuses me. Who is Lloth and who is Lolth, and how do you pronounce the words? Help please. I hope this isnt posted under the wrong topic, if it is, please forgive me.
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Dec 2003 : 21:18:59
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The drow spider-goddess is Lolth. Gary Gygax named her that in the late 70s, and that's the name in the Realms, except for the regional variant 'Lloth' used in Menzoberranzan and Uluitur which came about because Bob Salvatore used 'Lloth' (perhaps by mistake) in The Crystal Shard.
Lolth is pronounced 'lolth' (short or long o as you prefer), Lloth is 'loth'. |
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Hymn
Senior Scribe
Sweden
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Posted - 26 Dec 2003 : 21:35:23
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As I remember it it's the same godess only some fault(?) arised, or miss typing at Salvatores hand, or type editor. But the true name for her is Lolth (loalth) as the name Lloth only is used a few times. It could also do with that Lolth is used in both the Realms and the core AD&D phanteon. Perhaps they thought at the time that an extra name should be used as to noth mix her up between the worlds. I don't know about that, only a guess. Hope it did more help then harm, |
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mr.lee
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Norway
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Posted - 27 Dec 2003 : 00:58:19
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thanks for helping me out. so the general and "correct" term is "Lolth", even though Salvatore insisted on calling her "Lloth"! (LOL, or LOLth or LLOth if you know what I mean ) haha! I hardly believe Lolth (or was it Lloth?) would be very happy if she knew we humans were mising up the names ... but ok. now thats cleared up anyway.
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mr.lee
Seeker
Norway
69 Posts |
Posted - 27 Dec 2003 : 00:59:21
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 27 Dec 2003 : 04:53:56
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Originally posted by mr.lee
P.S. and by the way - who is gary gygax?
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 27 Dec 2003 : 07:54:28
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Originally posted by mr.lee
P.S. and by the way - who is gary gygax?
Co-creator of the role-playing game "Dungeons & Dragons". There is much more information located on many different RPG sites across the internet, just go out, and search...
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Strahd Von Zarovich
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Posted - 28 Dec 2003 : 13:37:13
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Originally posted by mr.lee
P.S. and by the way - who is gary gygax?
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Elrond Half Elven
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
322 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2003 : 15:11:51
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Originally posted by Strahd Von Zarovich BLASPHEMY!!
Hey don't you belong in Ravenloft Your name certianly suggests it.
I'm pretty sure that Mr Gygax is better known in America, BUT He does (or did) appeat every so often in Dragon magazine, and his name is dropped into several introductions in the books. I'm surprised Mr Lee that you never knew who he was .
Anyway I always thought that the difference between Lloth and Lolth was one was the default spelling for Greyhawk and the other the spelling for Forgotten Realms, however they where both the same God. Obviously I am Wrong tho'. Here is a quick question for you, how involved is the Drow patheolon with say the human, or Dwarf? Obvs they are occasionally involved with the Elvish, the occasional skirmish or two .
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Dec 2003 : 08:59:56
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Read on into Exile. When Drizzt is with the gnomes, the pronounciation difference is addressed. Sort of.
It's just a typing error, just like with Tempos/us. |
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 29 Dec 2003 : 09:32:13
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| The proper name for the goddess is "Lolth." "Lloth" is explained, in several places (including Demihuman Deities, and the older Mezoberranzan boxed set and Drow of the Underdark book) as the Menzoberranyr name for Lolth. Three years after the first misspelling- if ever it was one- the explanation was provided, in print. |
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Fibura Gauntlet
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Dec 2003 : 16:11:30
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I always refer to Her as "Lloth" because it looks Celtic (oh, all right then, Welsh) to me and thus more authentic. Which is a little ironic when you think about it, preferring the "realistic" spelling to the "fantasy" one  It does mean I get to pronounce it "Hcloth" though 
(before someone asks, no, that wasn't a typo ) |
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Ezindir the dark
Senior Scribe
Norway
603 Posts |
Posted - 29 Dec 2003 : 16:31:20
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Dec 2003 : 03:48:55
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You cant realy mean you dident now this?
It wouldn't surprise me if he did in fact mean exactly what he put forth in the question. A thread on the WOTC board I believe also had many posters with no idea as to who Mr. Gygax was/is. For some roleplaying didn't start til the dawn of Prestige Classes....or dark elves wielding two scimitars.
Nothing wrong with that...just up to the veterans of roleplaying to let them know who Mr. Gygax is and why his name might be one to recall.
Not that I'm one of those people....Gygax? Wasn't there a video game named that in the 80s |
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Ezindir the dark
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Norway
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Ezindir the dark
Senior Scribe
Norway
603 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jan 2004 : 21:22:45
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Warning: Tiny spoiler
After been reading a little in the weekend I have found some other miswrited gods:
1.) Clangedin/ Clangedon
In Book one in the IWD trilogy Bruenor places a " rune of Clangedon" on the hammer that will be given to Wulfgar, but in IWD 1 the voise fighter one, two or somthing is a dwarf crying out: "By Clangedins twinaxes", and I think, but I might be wrong that in BG 2 "TOB" you can forge rune of clangedin with the Runehammer, but I am not realy sure about this, and I think I can remember that I have heard the name Clangedin before, but I can't realy remember where.
2.)Tempus/Tempos
In IWD 1 in Easthaven the cleric/warrior/paladin or somthing Everard talks of Tempus, but in the IWD trilogy the barbarians of IWD whorships Tempos, and I think they have used teh name Tempus in IWD 2 , but I am not sure of this either.
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Arivia
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Jan 2004 : 23:32:35
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| Clangeddin and Tempus are the correct names. Clangeddin is the dwarven deity of crafting, and Tempus is the Faerunian god of war, as I remember. |
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 05 Jan 2004 : 00:43:17
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| Keep in mind, though, that "Tempos" is the name by which Tempus is known among the barbarians of Icewind Dale, at least according to Faiths and Avatars. Also, according to Demihuman Deities, Clangeddin is often spelled Clanggedin or Clanggendin. It shouldn't ever be spelled Clangedon. Tempus and Clangeddin, however you spell them, are respectively the Faerūnian and Dwarven gods of war and battle. |
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Ezindir the dark
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jan 2004 : 13:47:46
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Not at all. I'm saying that each of those books has "misspellings" listed as alternate names for the gods in question. Clangeddin has at least two accepted spellings for his name beyond "Clangeddin," and the use of "Tempos" in R.A. Salvatore's novels is not a misspelling; it's how Wulfgar's people say Tempus' name.
As with the Lolth/Lloth issue, it's not entirely clear whether the explanation was there all along, or if the explanation is given to keep from having to admit an editing mistake in the spelling of a god's name, but officially, Tempos is just another name for Tempus. |
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mr.lee
Seeker
Norway
69 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jan 2004 : 18:11:44
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 06 Jan 2004 : 21:58:09
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It's not that I say so. It's that the books say so. Each of the F&A books from 2nd Edition lists the various known aliases for each deity.
Faiths and Avatars
Tempus
"Aliases: Tempos (among the barbarians of Icewind Dale)"
Demihuman Deities
Clangeddin
"Aliases: Clanggedin (shield dwarves), Claggendin"
Lolth
"Aliases: Araunshee, Lloth (Menzoberranzan and Uluitur), Megwandir, Moander, Zinzerena" |
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cpthero2
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 28 Sep 2018 : 15:23:29
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Great Reader Faraer,
Wow, so is that actually what did happen then regarding the spelling? It was just a typo? I never even questioned it, as I figured it was just different dialects saying it a different way. That would be hilarious. Sort of like how 'Filk' came to be, by having 'Folk' typed incorrectly for the World Fair in 1938, and reprinting of course was a very expensive proposition back then.
Quite entertaining if so.
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Originally posted by Faraer
The drow spider-goddess is Lolth. Gary Gygax named her that in the late 70s, and that's the name in the Realms, except for the regional variant 'Lloth' used in Menzoberranzan and Uluitur which came about because Bob Salvatore used 'Lloth' (perhaps by mistake) in The Crystal Shard.
Lolth is pronounced 'lolth' (short or long o as you prefer), Lloth is 'loth'.
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Whats the diffrence between Lloth and Lolth?
