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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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 Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 05:11:37
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I don't know. Having the majority of those that practice the Art do so only for the cold blooded reason of having a more powerful tool than the next guy . . . that doesn't feel like the Realms I'm used to.
Even many of the "villainous" wizards of the past respect and appreciate the use and perfection of the Art.
I think things like music and poetry and literature have their own power, and their own unique place, and as such, in the past, had their own unique deities, even if they served under more powerful, broadly drawn divinities.
I don't want to drag this discussion too far off topic dwelling on an appreciation of magic as Art, however. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 06:02:33
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Ugh... I hate having to re-read a novel to prove a point, and then to add insult to injury I can't even locate a pdf so I have to type the damn thing...
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From The Summoning, pg.226, Omnibus edition of RotAW
"You might say that, though Karsus was too mad for true remorse," said Melegaunt. "The Weave filled him to bursting when he tried to steal mystryl's godhead. What you see pouring from the Karsestone is all that remains of that ancient whole magic."
"Whole magic?" It was Malik who asked this. "Since when has magic been less then whole?"
"Since the fall of Netheril," Galeron surmised, thinking back to the tiresome texts he had studied at the Academy of Magic. After the fall, Mystryl had saved the Weave by reincarnating herself as Mystra, but the surviving archwizards had quickly discovered that without the goddess's direct intervention - a very rare occurrence indeed - they could no longer cast their most powerful spells. Most sages conjectured that Mystra was simply limiting magic to protect the Weave from another disaster, but Galerion saw the that another explanation made more sense - and explained the source of Melgaunt's cold magic. "It split," he said.
Melegaunt was too busy pressing strands of shadowsilk onto the Karsestone to answer, but Malik was hanging on every word.
"what split?" the little man asked. "Do you mean the Weave?"
It goes on from there, and there are other snippets throughout the novel referring to it as 'whole magic' prior to Mystryl's fall. Besides Shadow-Weave magic, there is also Pluma magic, Runes, etc... that Mystra has never had any control over. Thats not even counting psionics.
I really waste far too much time explaining things to someone who knows next to nothing about the setting. Please read stuff for yourself next time. When I am spouting homebrew, I state that I am, or say IMHO, or "this is how I think things played out". I only state facts as fact.
--- Markustay, as in Mark Matthew Taylor of NY - no 'hidden' anything
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 06:11:11
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| Haha I'm currently reading RotAW right now. I'm on the last book, and I find it really interesting. There are gaps in my FR readings, so sometimes I'll read a series and be like "where did that come from?" Such was the case with the return of the Shadovar, but now I know. The existence of the Shadow Weave made perfect sense to me. There is High Magic to consider too, though I'm blanking right now whether that is influenced by the Weave or not (sorry Markustay if I am missing your point. You don't have to elaborate if you don't want to). |
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The Hidden Lord
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 06:23:42
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Actually, my knowledge of the setting is far in excess of yours. I state this clearly, so that you can appreciate it fully in the future.
I find it laughable that you would consider the in- setting perspective of a character, one who lies throughout the novel, as somehow indicative of the settings cosmological truth.
I will correct your false statements, so that future scribes will not be corrupted by your lax.
Melegaunt Tanthul stated in "The Summoning" that theKarsestone was all that remained of 'whole magic'.
The character Galaeron from the same novel then surmised that the Weave and Shadow Weave were the fragments of the 'whole magic' Melegaunt spoke of.
Knowledgeable scribes note that this is, of course, a type of retcon associated with the premise of the novel, that being the introduction of the Shadow Weave to the Forgotten Realms; due of course to the fact that this trilogy is the only reference to 'whole magic'. In addition, an even cursory read of the trilogy illuminates the theme of 'two weaves', both in Galaerons spell use and the reformation of Evereskas mythal
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Sightless
Senior Scribe
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608 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 07:05:30
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Originally posted by The Hidden Lord
Actually, my knowledge of the setting is far in excess of yours. I state this clearly, so that you can appreciate it fully in the future.
I find it laughable that you would consider the in- setting perspective of a character, one who lies throughout the novel, as somehow indicative of the settings cosmological truth.
I will correct your false statements, so that future scribes will not be corrupted by your lax.
Melegaunt Tanthul stated in "The Summoning" that theKarsestone was all that remained of 'whole magic'.
The character Galaeron from the same novel then surmised that the Weave and Shadow Weave were the fragments of the 'whole magic' Melegaunt spoke of.
Knowledgeable scribes note that this is, of course, a type of retcon associated with the premise of the novel, that being the introduction of the Shadow Weave to the Forgotten Realms; due of course to the fact that this trilogy is the only reference to 'whole magic'. In addition, an even cursory read of the trilogy illuminates the theme of 'two weaves', both in Galaerons spell use and the reformation of Evereskas mythal
Actually "it's mentioned in "how the mighty have fallen" which was part of the Netherial box set, about two hundred pages in. At least that's what it would be, doing a page, by page count. Char's spliting the weave after Mystral's death is mentioned there. Appearently it had some prefound impacts on not only the weave, but Mystra as well. It is on this page, second paragraph, that we see that Mystra is split from the weave, from this point on they are not, I repeat, not the same thing. What is more, the weave is stated as being less stable than it was before requiring considerable attention by Mystra.
Now, I need to find the book Marcus and you are talking about and read it some point, just for jollies.
Oh, just as an unimportent aside, the Charn use both aspects, by useing a portion of the whole weave, obtained from their Mythal, which they obsorbed when becoming the Charn. The issue is that it requires cooperation for the Charn to gain the full affect. That's mentioned in the third to the last page of the document.
And if this all makes me sound like a complete and utter ass, I apologize. |
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The Hidden Lord
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 07:09:23
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Incorrect, Sightless. 'Whole Magic' is not referenced in any FR product, besides Dennings RotAW trilogy.
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Originally posted by Sightless
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Originally posted by The Hidden Lord
Actually, my knowledge of the setting is far in excess of yours. I state this clearly, so that you can appreciate it fully in the future.
I find it laughable that you would consider the in- setting perspective of a character, one who lies throughout the novel, as somehow indicative of the settings cosmological truth.
I will correct your false statements, so that future scribes will not be corrupted by your lax.
Melegaunt Tanthul stated in "The Summoning" that theKarsestone was all that remained of 'whole magic'.
The character Galaeron from the same novel then surmised that the Weave and Shadow Weave were the fragments of the 'whole magic' Melegaunt spoke of.
Knowledgeable scribes note that this is, of course, a type of retcon associated with the premise of the novel, that being the introduction of the Shadow Weave to the Forgotten Realms; due of course to the fact that this trilogy is the only reference to 'whole magic'. In addition, an even cursory read of the trilogy illuminates the theme of 'two weaves', both in Galaerons spell use and the reformation of Evereskas mythal
Actually "it's mentioned in "how the mighty have fallen" which was part of the Netherial box set, about two hundred pages in. At least that's what it would be, doing a page, by page count. Char's spliting the weave after Mystral's death is mentioned there. Appearently it had some prefound impacts on not only the weave, but Mystra as well. It is on this page, second paragraph, that we see that Mystra is split from the weave, from this point on they are not, I repeat, not the same thing. What is more, the weave is stated as being less stable than it was before requiring considerable attention by Mystra.
Now, I need to find the book Marcus and you are talking about and read it some point, just for jollies.
Oh, just as an unimportent aside, the Charn use both aspects, by useing a portion of the whole weave, obtained from their Mythal, which they obsorbed when becoming the Charn. The issue is that it requires cooperation for the Charn to gain the full affect. That's mentioned in the third to the last page of the document.
And if this all makes me sound like a complete and utter ass, I apologize.
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The Hidden Lord
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 07:17:57
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| Sightless, you should also note that the Netheril, Empire of Magic contains two source books, of 128 and 32 pages, respectively, while HtMHF is a 66 page adventure. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 17:18:27
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Funny, but it says there that Galerion* got his info from the Academy of Magic - an elven institute of learning that existed throughout the events being described. Nowhere does it say that that is Malik. Malik cannot lie, Galerion does not lie, and Melegaunt also does not lie, but he does obfuscate the truth to suit his purposes (I would consider him the only 'honest' Shadowvar).
I see you are using your famous "I don't consider that canon" argument. It must be nice to pick and choose your own reality. lonely, too.
And if you are trying to hint that you are an employee of the company and thats why you "know so much', well... thats actually an indication of the exact opposite. I am sure the 4e team thought they understood FR... how'd that workout? The word 'clueless' comes to mind.
I do not profess to 'know' how the Realms work. No-one here does - fans, freelancers, and employees. We all have our own ideas on how we think it all fits together, but the only one who knows for sure is Ed.
The published Realms are just a 'homebrew' version of Ed's Realms, and just as fallible. You see, I can play the "I don't consider that canon" game as well.
*Thats too funny - I had to edit my post because twice I spelled Galerion 'Golarion' - Freudian slip? I had never noticed before how close those two names are. |
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Gustaveren
Learned Scribe
Denmark
197 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 18:56:13
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Well, on stuff like aboleths, it is better if core says:
there are aboleths there are imprisoned by some ancient magic, but they are working on plots to escape, but as far as it is known are the seals holding.
It is then up to the individual GM if he want to use them in his campaign by letting them escape or having evil cults trying to organise a seal breakdown.
That is much better than, the aboleths has escaped and they might appear anywere and wreck havoc |
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
1446 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 19:00:47
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| How do we think the Dalelands will or should be handled in 5E? Some of the Dales are in Sembian and Shadovar control and another is under Cormyr protection. Should the Dales fight for independence? Is this a natural progression that should be left as is? |
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The Hidden Lord
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 19:04:06
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Originally posted by Markustay
I see you are using your famous "I don't consider that canon" argument. It must be nice to pick and choose your on reality. lonely, too.
No, I am using the famous "being smart" argument. Ed, THO and others here have stated, unequivocally, multiple times, that characters (and organizations) lie, have their own beliefs, and are unaware of of the truth regarding the gods.
It is really important, especially in scrolls like this one, that they do not become 'cluttered' with false information. Don't get me wrong, I get it; you've been roaming around the internet talking about the Realms for a long time. People that are also "into" the setting see this, and mistakenly believe you aren't flat-out corrupting the lore of the setting.
But it is important, for the franchise going forward, that this type of dishonesty stop. For far too long misunderstandings and direct corruption of the setting has permeated fan sites. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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4598 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 19:26:32
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Please stop. I said before that I would ask moderators to step in and deal with excessive negativity or any level of disrespect. I am doing that now.
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
1446 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 19:35:54
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Originally posted by The Hidden Lord
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Originally posted by Markustay
I see you are using your famous "I don't consider that canon" argument. It must be nice to pick and choose your on reality. lonely, too.
No, I am using the famous "being smart" argument. Ed, THO and others here have stated, unequivocally, multiple times, that characters (and organizations) lie, have their own beliefs, and are unaware of of the truth regarding the gods.
It is really important, especially in scrolls like this one, that they do not become 'cluttered' with false information. Don't get me wrong, I get it; you've been roaming around the internet talking about the Realms for a long time. People that are also "into" the setting see this, and mistakenly believe you aren't flat-out corrupting the lore of the setting.
But it is important, for the franchise going forward, that this type of dishonesty stop. For far too long misunderstandings and direct corruption of the setting has permeated fan sites.
These type of comments don't belong in this thread, or these halls. You haven't posted anything in the last few pages other than to insult others, tell them how they are wrong, or the latest here of how they "corrupt" the setting.
If you can't be nice in disagreeing with other viewpoints and keep your insults to yourself, go find another website to frequent.
*Mods can delete this post, I see Erik is addressing this. Thanks.* |
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The Hidden Lord
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 19:45:11
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Yeah, probably better delete my threads.
Leave more room for people to bash the design team.
Maybe open up a spot on the shelf for another "Oh, I'll never buy anything WotC puts out".
Eilserus, comments like mine DO belong in these 'halls'. When the thread is about canon, and a poster states something is canon, and it is not, it is important for people that know better to step up.
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
1446 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 20:25:51
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| Erik, how do you think Calimsham (Memnonnar) should be treated? The Calim and Memnon war does make the area more interesting, but I'm presuming 5E may take steps to bring their factions down. What about a resurgence of the Shoon Imperium? I always loved the history on that empire and seeing it rise from the ashes again by the lich Shoon might be fun. |
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Gustaveren
Learned Scribe
Denmark
197 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 21:50:59
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Well, regarding magic
Both the netheril boxed set and the grand history of the realms mention something called heavy magic.
The weave was also different before Karsus folly, (10.th, 11.th and 12.th level spells were described in the netheril boxed set and they worked before but not after the fall if one attempted to use them (or the memory of how to use them was removed))
Seems to me, that it could be a reasonable theory, that something was split from the weave
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 22:20:14
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Originally posted by The Hidden Lord
Yeah, probably better delete my threads.
Leave more room for people to bash the design team.
Maybe open up a spot on the shelf for another "Oh, I'll never buy anything WotC puts out".
Eilserus, comments like mine DO belong in these 'halls'. When the thread is about canon, and a poster states something is canon, and it is not, it is important for people that know better to step up.
I had a very long response here, but suffice it to say 4e didn't last very long, nor was it very loved (or even liked) by the majority of folk. Thats an inarguable fact. If it was, we wouldn't be getting a 5eFR so soon.
I do agree with you on one thing - maybe we should all just walk away and not bother to discuss FR anymore. If your purpose is to get people to stop being interested in the setting, you are doing a damn good job of it.  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 22:53:40
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And let's move back to the original topic, please. I should hate to delete posts out of here, but I am prepared to do so, if necessary.  |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 23:00:03
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
I don't know. Having the majority of those that practice the Art do so only for the cold blooded reason of having a more powerful tool than the next guy . . . that doesn't feel like the Realms I'm used to.
Even many of the "villainous" wizards of the past respect and appreciate the use and perfection of the Art.
I think things like music and poetry and literature have their own power, and their own unique place, and as such, in the past, had their own unique deities, even if they served under more powerful, broadly drawn divinities.
I don't want to drag this discussion too far off topic dwelling on an appreciation of magic as Art, however.
In the interest of staying on topic I recommend we move this to the poll-thread "Do we really need a goddess of magic", where I've already posted a response.
Anyway, more on topic. I too am curious as to the Calimshaan situation and any insights as to how 5e will handle that. |
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Gustaveren
Learned Scribe
Denmark
197 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 23:03:14
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Well, I would propose, a bit of updated information in the 5e FR books about the 3 timegates mentioned in the netheril box set. There might be gamemasters, there want to run a campaign for old fans there start in the 5e realms, they then see how much has changed, decide they want to fix it, and then go hunting for timegates in order to go back in time to prevent the events of the spellplague.
During such an adventure, there might even be some groups, there find something new to be fond of in the 5e realms. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 23:34:19
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@Gust: The timegates question is a good one, and has great potential for cool adventures. I think it's kind of cool that we have several locations where such timegates could deposit heroes.
@Eilserus: Calimshan isn't my area of expertise, so I'd definitely want to chat with folks more in tune with it, but I think the rise of the elemental lords makes things very interesting. I would rather it be more human, less seemingly "all genies/genasi, all the time." The genies should still rule the humans, sure, but they should do so through their human vassals.
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'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 16 Oct 2012 : 23:39:14
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| I don't know if I agree with that last point, Erik. I'm rather against human-centric-ness in fantasy and would like to see the other races have some considerable degrees of power. That being said I'm also against homogeneity in kingdoms/countries/city states and think all but the smallest villages should have some diversity to them. |
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Gustaveren
Learned Scribe
Denmark
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Posted - 17 Oct 2012 : 00:11:36
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well, it will probably be easier to make it a success with the support for multiple areas if describing mechanisms like
Timegates
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Prophecies
4e and 5e FR haters could use the 4e and 5e FR stuff to make detailed prophecies about what will be the future of the realms unless the heroes go on an adventure and do something specific.
It is probably also easier to convince people to give a future realms a chance at the gaming table if there is an in-game mechanism for going back in time without having to make new characters
In addition to the 3 time gates mentioned in the netheril box set are there also the temple beyond time to labelas enoreth in the high forest. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 17 Oct 2012 : 02:01:01
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Please stop. I said before that I would ask moderators to step in and deal with excessive negativity or any level of disrespect. I am doing that now.
Cheers
Indeed. I've notice a very one-sided nature to this discussion, recently, and it's becoming increasingly obvious just where the problems are coming from.
It will need to be addressed. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 17 Oct 2012 : 02:05:38
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Originally posted by The Hidden Lord
Eilserus, comments like mine DO belong in these 'halls'.
That's true. But at the same time, you're being extraordinarily condescending while you attempt to establish your perceived notion of canon.
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When the thread is about canon, and a poster states something is canon, and it is not, it is important for people that know better to step up.
See, this is where you argument breaks down. We have only your word that you, supposedly, "know better." And, quite frankly, I've yet to see that from you. In fact, the only thing you know how to "do better than most, is continually tout your opinions and perspectives as far superior to practically every other scribe's opinions.
And it's now time for that to stop. Engage in these discussions civilly and respectfully. It's really not that hard. |
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Tarlyn
Learned Scribe
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315 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2012 : 04:03:04
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| Making Cyric a better villain is cool, but Realms has been dominated by the Cyric / Shar show(to a lesser extent Lolth) for awhile on the villainous deities front. I think 5e should still highlight these three, but also spread the limelight out to all of the great baddies. I would much rather see Cyric move to a more minor role with slightly more dignity than have him continue to be pumped up as the super villain that 4e made him into. Shar obviously remains a major force so long as Nethril is under her thumb (nothing wrong with that). However, I would love to see the Zhentarim return with some teeth and the banite clergy at their back. Also, Malar, Beshaba, Talona, Talos, Velsharoon, Tiamat and Vhaeraun all seem deserving of some limelight. |
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
1446 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2012 : 04:06:30
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| Definitely agree with seeing the Zhentarim return with a vengeance. Manshoon can start by butchering every Cyric workshipper in Darkhold. Maybe he'll even use that as his base of operations while they repair or rebuild Zhentil Keep or the Citadel of the Raven. I could see Mulmaster as the new center of the Zhents too. I always liked that city and think there's so much there worth exploring. Lost Sarphil for one. ;) |
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Sightless
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 17 Oct 2012 : 04:07:24
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Originally posted by The Hidden Lord
Incorrect, Sightless. 'Whole Magic' is not referenced in any FR product, besides Dennings RotAW trilogy.
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Originally posted by Sightless
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Originally posted by The Hidden Lord
Actually, my knowledge of the setting is far in excess of yours. I state this clearly, so that you can appreciate it fully in the future.
I find it laughable that you would consider the in- setting perspective of a character, one who lies throughout the novel, as somehow indicative of the settings cosmological truth.
I will correct your false statements, so that future scribes will not be corrupted by your lax.
Melegaunt Tanthul stated in "The Summoning" that theKarsestone was all that remained of 'whole magic'.
The character Galaeron from the same novel then surmised that the Weave and Shadow Weave were the fragments of the 'whole magic' Melegaunt spoke of.
Knowledgeable scribes note that this is, of course, a type of retcon associated with the premise of the novel, that being the introduction of the Shadow Weave to the Forgotten Realms; due of course to the fact that this trilogy is the only reference to 'whole magic'. In addition, an even cursory read of the trilogy illuminates the theme of 'two weaves', both in Galaerons spell use and the reformation of Evereskas mythal
Actually "it's mentioned in "how the mighty have fallen" which was part of the Netherial box set, about two hundred pages in. At least that's what it would be, doing a page, by page count. Char's spliting the weave after Mystral's death is mentioned there. Appearently it had some prefound impacts on not only the weave, but Mystra as well. It is on this page, second paragraph, that we see that Mystra is split from the weave, from this point on they are not, I repeat, not the same thing. What is more, the weave is stated as being less stable than it was before requiring considerable attention by Mystra.
Now, I need to find the book Marcus and you are talking about and read it some point, just for jollies.
Oh, just as an unimportent aside, the Charn use both aspects, by useing a portion of the whole weave, obtained from their Mythal, which they obsorbed when becoming the Charn. The issue is that it requires cooperation for the Charn to gain the full affect. That's mentioned in the third to the last page of the document.
And if this all makes me sound like a complete and utter ass, I apologize.
If that's the case, then could you please explain why my version is 72 pages? If the manual is 66 pages, then what does the material of the other pages belong to? A realmslore article?
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We choose to live a lie, when we see with, & not through the eye.
Every decision, no matter the evidence, is a leap of faith; if it were not, then it wouldn't be a choice at all. |
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Sightless
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Posted - 17 Oct 2012 : 04:11:17
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And before I get back to work, was Velsharoon killed off?
I've heard conflicting facts on that. |
We choose to live a lie, when we see with, & not through the eye.
Every decision, no matter the evidence, is a leap of faith; if it were not, then it wouldn't be a choice at all. |
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Tarlyn
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USA
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Posted - 17 Oct 2012 : 04:12:28
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| I thought he was killed off by Mystra exploding along with Azuth, but I really haven't been keeping up. |
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One Canon, One Story, One Realms (5e) THE SEQUEL
