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Simon Says
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Posted - 27 Feb 2004 :  21:49:14  Show Profile  Visit Simon Says's Homepage Send Simon Says a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic

Alright, back for the attack. Led Zeppelin's "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" is blaring in the background, and so it is with this jaunty tune providing backdrop that I ask, "Where's the love?"

My reading enjoyment is probably 50% 'Realmsian, so I feel I have a bit of my life invested in FR novels. One thing I've noted over the years is a distinct lack of romance. And I'm not talking about Harlequinesque bodice-rippers or Lustbader-influenced sexscapes.

I mean simple, wanton love. Or unrequieted love. Or a good love triangle.

My favorite FR series---the Sembia series---was rather lacking in that department.

But again---it was my favorite series, so it's not like I'm missing it and pining for it. I know where to go if I want it. Maybe I'd just like to think that, because I spend so much of my time in Faerun, I'd like to find a little bit of *everything* in Faerun. I'm actually trying to remember the last time I read something that just wrenched my gut, and I can't. Pretty staid stuff, love-wise, really. Which isn't really bad ... it's just all the same.

And the lack of the over-emotional stuff kinda surprises me. Aren't they (generally speaking) marketing to an over-emotional age group?

(No offense, Linkin Park listeners)

So I'm wondering. Is there some sort of "Loveguard5000" or whatever that makes FR editors squelch the romance? Or are the writers just not writing it?

If this thread gets lambasted, then I'll know: there's just no interest in it, and I'm just a hippy pansy weenie pining for Garion and Ce'Nedra.

Secondary question: of the few FR "Couples" out there, which is your favorite? (Drizzt/Cattie-Brie ... Arilyn/Danilo ... Drizzt/Gwenevere ...) My vote goes to Mrs. Cunningham's Arilyn & Danilo. Likely because they seem to have that rare chemistry. Plus, I read somewhere she used to write romance novels.

(Hm, maybe this query should have gone in the E.C. thread ... enh ...)


Simon

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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 27 Feb 2004 :  23:00:13  Show Profile  Visit SiriusBlack's Homepage Send SiriusBlack a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Simon Says

I mean simple, wanton love. Or unrequieted love. Or a good love triangle.

My favorite FR series---the Sembia series---was rather lacking in that department.




The Sembia series lacked unrequited love. What about Cale and Tazi?

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My vote goes to Mrs. Cunningham's Arilyn & Danilo. Likely because they seem to have that rare chemistry. Plus, I read somewhere she used to write romance novels.



That's the first I've heard of that piece of information. Recall at all where you read that bit about romance novels?
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 27 Feb 2004 :  23:53:17  Show Profile  Visit Bookwyrm's Homepage Send Bookwyrm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Simon Says

If this thread gets lambasted, then I'll know: there's just no interest in it, and I'm just a hippy pansy weenie pining for Garion and Ce'Nedra.



Heh. David Eddings does have that nice flair for romance that makes you shout at the characters "hurry up and figure it out already!" Plus he has that wonderful sense of humor, especially on the male/female issues. I can't think of a single other author who has that sort of feel.

quote:

My vote goes to Mrs. Cunningham's Arilyn & Danilo. Likely because they seem to have that rare chemistry. Plus, I read somewhere she used to write romance novels.



Same here. I believe I said something similar to Ms. Cunningham when she first appeared here.

So anyway, don't worry. This particular dragon has three weaknesses: cats, children, and the soul of a diehard romantic. I'd like to have more properly-done pairings in the Realms; the only problem is that there are very few people who can actually do them without sounding gratuitous or over the top.

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Simon Says
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Posted - 28 Feb 2004 :  00:41:06  Show Profile  Visit Simon Says's Homepage Send Simon Says a Private Message  Reply with Quote

Sirius, I believe E.C. mentioned this somewhere waaaaaay back in the FR "Novels" board. She either wrote romance briefly, or tried it and decided it wasn't for her. Either way, it was brief, I believe.

And I do agree Tazi probably got the most "play" of any of the Sembia protagonists. She had Steorf (sp?) and was also stalked---errrrr---LOVED FROM AFAR by Erevis Cale. Though I thought the Erevis attraction could have been played up on better for tension's sake, I guess it does technically count.

Wise 'Wyrm, I loved the Belgariad, even though Eddings was loath to kill (permanently) any of his protagonists. Great series---had me on the edge of my seat and in a constant state of drool (much like George R.R. Martin's "Song of Ice and Fire" has me now).

Back to FR novels, which are themselves ultimately satisfying, usually---and they come out with MUCH GREATER FREQUENCY!

I'd actually leave the sex out (or at least behind closed doors). I'd like to see more of the quiet attractions, or an occasional pining-for... heck, a triangle within a group of adventurers would be a fantastic read! I'd like to see protagonists make the occasional wrong decision based on a need to one-up a potential in-group rival. I think something like that would be fascinating!

Simon Says

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Richard Lee Byers
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Posted - 28 Feb 2004 :  00:43:44  Show Profile  Visit Richard Lee Byers's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Just curious, Simon, did you notice that The Shattered Mask (my Sembia novel) is all about two people achieving true love and understanding? Well, maybe not ALL about that. There is some sword fighting and monsters and stuff. But you get my point.
Anyway, if you keep reading my stuff, I think you'll see romance rear its plump, curly-haired, rosy-cheeked cherubic head from time to time.
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Mikayla
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Posted - 28 Feb 2004 :  01:25:56  Show Profile  Visit Mikayla's Homepage Send Mikayla a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ok, its not exactly 'love' but my favorite couple has to be Danifae and Quenthel. Ok, its not love at all. Just lust and surivival, but whatever. They're a good couple...though I fear Danifae is not going to survive the series (which as I mentioned in another thread bums me out - they keep killing all the cool drow girls! Stop that would ya!?!)
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ElaineCunningham
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Posted - 28 Feb 2004 :  02:06:29  Show Profile  Visit ElaineCunningham's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Simon Says


Sirius, I believe E.C. mentioned this somewhere waaaaaay back in the FR "Novels" board. She either wrote romance briefly, or tried it and decided it wasn't for her.


The latter. I have no knack for the genre; in fact, a friend and true romance fan read a manuscript and offered this critique: "Girl, you don't have a romantic bone in your body. Face it: you're weird, so maybe you should write science fiction or fantasy..." The very next day, I saw an ad in the Writers' Digest magazine for the Harpers open call. Thus inspired, I wrote the proposal for the book that became Elfshadow

I'm certainly not a romance novelist, but relationships are usually an important part of my stories. Arilyn and Dan are my favorite couple, and Liriel and Fyodor probably my most overtly passionate pair. Amlaruil and Zaor had a love story that went on for centuries. Maybe because of my rapidly advancing age, I've been trending toward long-term love affairs, such as Khelben and Laerel, King Zalathorm and Beatrice. There's lost love -- Elaith Craulnober still pines for his princess. There are also a number of deep, non-romantic friendships: Bronwyn and Ebenezer, Matteo and Tzigone.

Sword & sorcery novels, by their nature, lean toward action. Relationship issues are important to character development and plot, but they seldom BECOME the plot.
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The Cardinal
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Posted - 28 Feb 2004 :  02:15:42  Show Profile  Visit The Cardinal's Homepage Send The Cardinal a Private Message  Reply with Quote
When reading things of Drow nature there is only one Drow Girl we hope comes out unscathed, Triel the only drow who was content, then forced into a position that she did not really want.... And we're still mad about what happened to Gromph....
But as for where Love is?....We really don't care.pity... We still will admit that it is a powerful tool and weapon in any character's arsenal... if somewhat unreliable. Enough talk from us. This makes us uncomfortable...


It has to be Certain, the Gods Hate Me. For whatever irrevokable Fate, I have been made the walking Joke. Either that, or Beshaba is overlyfond Of Me.
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Edited by - The Cardinal on 28 Feb 2004 02:17:49
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PyrateJenni
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Posted - 28 Feb 2004 :  02:39:17  Show Profile  Visit PyrateJenni's Homepage Send PyrateJenni a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers

Just curious, Simon, did you notice that The Shattered Mask (my Sembia novel) is all about two people achieving true love and understanding?


Yes, but they're Old Marrieds, so they don't count.

If I want a romance storyline, I'll read a romance novel. In the FR novels, it depends on the characters for me. I like Arilyn and Danilo, called Catti-brie and Drizzt years ago to a penpal before Wulfgar's "death", and really wanted Fyodor and Liriel to go adventuring off into the sunset.

"The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense." -- Tom Clancy_
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Winterfox
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Posted - 28 Feb 2004 :  03:15:09  Show Profile  Visit Winterfox's Homepage Send Winterfox a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by PyrateJenni

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers

Just curious, Simon, did you notice that The Shattered Mask (my Sembia novel) is all about two people achieving true love and understanding?


Yes, but they're Old Marrieds, so they don't count.



I actually loved that book because the leads were Old Marrieds. *grins* (And I wuv Shamur. Also because she's a married lady with grown-up children.)

Long, loooong ago, I hanged out at Stories.com. (Now known as Writing.com.) One of my favourite mods/columnists who managed the fantasy newsletter said something along the line of "Never, ever, let romance dominate your plot."
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 28 Feb 2004 :  03:31:11  Show Profile  Visit SiriusBlack's Homepage Send SiriusBlack a Private Message  Reply with Quote
For what it's worth, I thought the last novel in the WOTSQ series did a good job in showing a romantic relationship developing between two individuals in the midst of difficult times to say the least.
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 28 Feb 2004 :  05:34:54  Show Profile  Visit Bookwyrm's Homepage Send Bookwyrm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ElaineCunningham

The very next day, I saw an ad in the Writers' Digest magazine for the Harpers open call. Thus inspired, I wrote the proposal for the book that became Elfshadow



Now it's just that sort of thing that gives me hope as an amateur.

quote:

I'm certainly not a romance novelist, but relationships are usually an important part of my stories.



As I said, I'm a diehard romantic, and while I don't usually watch romance movies (though Notting Hill was nice ), and have never read a romance novel, I still like the stories where the guy/girl gets the girl/guy . . . especially if it's not the one (s)he thought was perfect for him/her. (Stupid gender-based language. )

quote:
Originally posted by Winterfox

One of my favourite mods/columnists who managed the fantasy newsletter said something along the line of "Never, ever, let romance dominate your plot."



That I don't actually agree with. I've read some pretty good stories where romance (and the pursuit thereof) was dominant throughout the whole plot.

I'm actually writing one story like that. In all of my stories, there's an angle of romance. In one in particular, the whole story came about because of a romance angle. Namely "What if there were one person in the world that --"

Oops. I forgot to mention -- it's one of my fanfics. And it's a story-universe that I don't believe Alaundo is keen on being mentioned in these Halls of Realmslore.

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Winterfox
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Posted - 28 Feb 2004 :  09:23:57  Show Profile  Visit Winterfox's Homepage Send Winterfox a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Unadulterated romance is simply not my cup of tea. Note, also, that the columnist lady was managing the fantasy newsletter... as opposed to the romance newsletter. (There was a newsletter for each prominent genre on the site -- horror, romance, fantasy, drama, etc.)

What annoys me is when romance dominates the story, and everything else takes a backseat. The characters, aside from the leads being in love, just fade into the background or have no personality/dimension at all. The plot becomes stilted, just an excuse for the author to bring the leads together or the like. Everything else is pretty much ignored. That's why I agree with the columnist's statement.

An example. I doubt you've ever read it, but Laurell K. Hamilton's Anita Blake series started off as a fun action/horror/thriller fluff with a touch of mystery and some sexual tension. The protagonist, Anita Blake, works as an animator (raises zombies for certain purposes, like judical process) and sometimes assists the local police unit that deals with preternatural crimes. She regular deals with vampires, werecreatures, and the like (who are, by the way, legal citizens of the alternate USA). As the series progresses, however, it degenerates into book after book that deals with Anita's messed-up lovelife. Eventually she ends up jumping almost anything that is male and moves. Her job only comes up occasionally. The plot surfaces now and again reluctantly, as most pages are now dominated by gratuitous sex scenes and Anita's psychobabbles. What was once fun action/horror/mystery brain-candy has become soft porn. With an addition of undead and werecreatures and the frequent mystical sex energies. (Anita can heal werecreatures through sex. Literally.)
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Simon Says
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Posted - 28 Feb 2004 :  11:06:49  Show Profile  Visit Simon Says's Homepage Send Simon Says a Private Message  Reply with Quote

I had to laugh at your Laura K. Hamilton tale, Winterfox. Replace the author's name with "Jean M. Auel" and you've just rewritten an old complaint I had about the drivel that followed "Clan of the Cave Bear". Cro-magnon man was more virile than I had ever thought possible. The Kama Sutra was NOT born in India, according to my precise calculations.

Mr. Byers HAD to bring up Shamur and her ... husband. I wasn't going to go into that little twisted romance, but ...

A little history first. I was not introduced to the work of Richard Lee Byers with "Dissolution" like so many others. For me, it was "Song of Chaos", a short story in "The Halls of Stormweather". I'd never heard of Mr. Byers, but three pages in and four trips to the dictionary later, I knew I was in for one doozy of a tale. Shamur was lifelike yet mysterious. The frigid shield she'd placed between herself and her daughter was no mere "Let's paint ma' as the Ice Queen" flick of the characterization paintbrush; this chick had some serious depth!

Shamur Uskevren: one of my all-time favorite protagonists.

<deep breath>

Thamalon Uskevren: not.

So of course I recognized the subtle attraction developing between the two once I dove into "The Shattered Mask", and I (wanting Shamur all to myself, sure, I admit to a little bit of selfishness in this) screamed, "HE'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR HER! DOESN'T HE KNOW WHAT SHE'S BEEN THROUGH??"

(Sorry)

And YES it was a good story, and YES it was sweet, and YES I learned what apse, balustrade, and chalcedony meant (not to mention epee and lachrymose) ...

I just wasn't rooting for them as a couple.

Alright??

<m> Damned good story. And a fine romance. Fine, I take it back.

Let's just say I much preferred it when ...

(SPOILER...)




...Dave Gross WHACKED the bastard in the last freaking book! BOO-yeah!

:D

For this, Mr. Gross has my eternal gratitude. That, and because "Black Wolf" rocked, as well. I'd offer my firstborn child, but, well, she's going to need braces, and the expense really might not be worth the while.

(In all seriousness, really, talking about the Sembia series has got my blood pumping again. Kudos to all involved. Quite good.)


Simon Says

P.S. I know Mr. Byers plays with foils and epees. I seem to remember another FR author mentioning having the same dangerous fascination. Any chance we can get a "Fence to the Finish" at the next GenCon? Author vs. author? For charity?

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Winterfox
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Posted - 28 Feb 2004 :  14:13:37  Show Profile  Visit Winterfox's Homepage Send Winterfox a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Simon Says


I had to laugh at your Laura K. Hamilton tale, Winterfox. Replace the author's name with "Jean M. Auel" and you've just rewritten an old complaint I had about the drivel that followed "Clan of the Cave Bear". Cro-magnon man was more virile than I had ever thought possible. The Kama Sutra was NOT born in India, according to my precise calculations.


*slaps own face with palm* Oh lordy, don't remind me of that series. I read Clan of the Cave Bear and thought it was decent, if a bit waaay too heavy on the description side. (Yes, great, the author did her research, but ye gods, if I wanted to read about Stone Age geography, I wouldn't be reading a novel, would I?) Then I read Valley of the Horses and my faith in humanity something inside me died a little. What... stimulant does Jondalar take for his diet? I bet any number of men'd just love to know that.

I think someone once christened Earth's Children as "Sex Among Cavemen." Someone else added, "Stone Age Barbie & Ken."

quote:
Any chance we can get a "Fence to the Finish" at the next GenCon? Author vs. author? For charity?



I'd fly from Hong Kong just to watch that.
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore

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Posted - 28 Feb 2004 :  14:39:19  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well, now. Ed fences. Sabre, mainly, and "trueblade" (REAL rapiers). However, since his heart troubles and his knees went, he's (in his own words) "mediocre at best, laughable at worst." His style was very acrobatic, all leaps and sweeps, so, once rendered largely immobile, he's probably easy meat.
If you look at Ed's face VERY closely, there's a tiny scar under his eye from when a fencing mask collapsed under a swordcut...while students were touring the fencing academy, of course, so he had an audience for the blood.
And he once broke a heel fencing down the stairs with one of his players; she fell on him, they started sliding towards her china breakfront, and he avoided a huge crash by ramming his heel into a step as a brake. Ah, yesteryear...
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The Hooded One
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Posted - 28 Feb 2004 :  16:10:19  Show Profile  Visit The Hooded One's Homepage Send The Hooded One a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Forgot to mention: Jim Ward, former head of TSR's Creative division and now head or co-head of Fast Forward Entertainment, Inc. (who will publish Ed's fantasy setting CASTLEMORN), is also a fencer. He had two of his "900 Words" columns on his website devoted to tales of his fencing experiences, I believe.
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 28 Feb 2004 :  19:03:29  Show Profile  Visit Bookwyrm's Homepage Send Bookwyrm a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oh, I don't really like straight-out romance stories. I was just saying that this fanfic of mine has a definite "romance" characteristic right from the start, rather than my usual comes-along-as-part-of-the-story progression.

Unfortunately, I can't actually tell you much about it without incurring the Wrath of Alaundo. So I guess I shouldn't have said anything.

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Richard Lee Byers
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Posted - 28 Feb 2004 :  22:26:01  Show Profile  Visit Richard Lee Byers's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the kind words, Simon and Winterfox.
I hope to bring Shamur back someday. I feel strongly that her story isn't over. I thought it was when I did The Shattered Mask, but subsequent events in the Sembia series partly destroyed the happy situation I left her in. Now she has new issues to resolve.
Bad for her, good for me. I've got the basis for a new book. Just hope WotC wants to do it someday, after I bid farewell to all these dragons.
With regard to fencing, I do epee, foil, and sabre. I do sabre badly, but I do it. I'd be delighted to do some sort of fencing-for-charity event or whatever at GenCon, but somebody would have to set it up in advance and assure me that it was really going to happen. I'm not going through the hassle of flying with all my equipment otherwise.
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 28 Feb 2004 :  23:16:23  Show Profile  Visit SiriusBlack's Homepage Send SiriusBlack a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers
I hope to bring Shamur back someday. I feel strongly that her story isn't over. I thought it was when I did The Shattered Mask, but subsequent events in the Sembia series partly destroyed the happy situation I left her in. Now she has new issues to resolve.
Bad for her, good for me. I've got the basis for a new book. Just hope WotC wants to do it someday, after I bid farewell to all these dragons.



Pfftt to the dragons, Shamur is much scarier. I really hope you get to focus on her in another book. It was nice, although not written by you, just to see her briefly in Paul Kemp's last novel. Would this possible novel keep her in Sembia or take her outside of her home nation?
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Richard Lee Byers
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Posted - 29 Feb 2004 :  01:09:46  Show Profile  Visit Richard Lee Byers's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Don't discount the scariness of my dragons until you actually meet them. (Although I agree, Shamur can be pretty darn scary her own self.)
As to whether Shamur would stay in Sembia in the new novel, the truth is, I don't know. I know the issues that would face her on a personal level, and which would form the emotional and thematic core of the story, but I don't yet have the villain or the external sword-and-sorcery-ish plot problem she'd need to solve. (I've got a couple ideas, but I'm not sure if I'd use either of them)
Ergo, I don't know where the best place to set the story would be. I certainly wouldn't mind staying in Sembia but maybe getting out of Selgaunt, because I like exploring parts of the Realms that haven't been used much in the fiction. But still, House Uskevren has trading interests all over the map, so it wouldn't be hard to come up with a plausible reason to take her anyplace that fit my story premise.
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Lina
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Posted - 29 Feb 2004 :  03:17:20  Show Profile  Visit Lina's Homepage Send Lina a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I agree with some of the scribes here, if you want to read a love story... try the romance section. FR is not lacking in love in anyway as far as I'm concerned, there's Sune. In fact, I thank the authors for keeping out the mushy, sentimental types and intense sexial relationships from reaching their pages. If there was way to much lovey dovey stuff going on, it'd put me off reading.

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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 29 Feb 2004 :  05:13:38  Show Profile  Visit SiriusBlack's Homepage Send SiriusBlack a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers

Don't discount the scariness of my dragons until you actually meet them.



Point taken.

quote:

As to whether Shamur would stay in Sembia in the new novel, the truth is, I don't know. I know the issues that would face her on a personal level, and which would form the emotional and thematic core of the story...House Uskevren has trading interests all over the map, so it wouldn't be hard to come up with a plausible reason to take her anyplace that fit my story premise.



Indeed, some of the house's prominent members have definitely left the nest recently in the latest Cale and Tazi novels. Regardless of where you set this pontential novel, with its core centered on Shamur facing personal issues, I'd look forward to reading it.

Thanks for the information.
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Figgas
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Posted - 02 Mar 2004 :  20:57:37  Show Profile  Visit Figgas's Homepage Send Figgas a Private Message  Reply with Quote
As to Love Triangles Troy Denning wrote a great one with Galaeron, Vala, and Takari in The Archwizards Trilogy. I was rooting for Galaeron and Takari =)

It's too bad Elminster can't have any, well, relationships (besides El and Mystra) because of his life cycle. But I always thought Him and Immeira would be great. If you remember Immeira was the young woman El had a one-night stand with after he liberated the Starn from the Iron Foxes in The Temptation of Elminster.

"There is life and there is death, and in between there are The Doors" -Jim Morrison
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 03 Mar 2004 :  05:36:10  Show Profile  Visit SiriusBlack's Homepage Send SiriusBlack a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Figgas

As to Love Triangles Troy Denning wrote a great one with Galaeron, Vala, and Takari in The Archwizards Trilogy. I was rooting for Galaeron and Takari =)



What made that triangle stand out to you a great one?
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Bookwyrm
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quote:
Originally posted by Figgas

It's too bad Elminster can't have any, well, relationships (besides El and Mystra) because of his life cycle.


But what about the Simbul?

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Kuje
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quote:
Originally posted by Figgas

As to Love Triangles Troy Denning wrote a great one with Galaeron, Vala, and Takari in The Archwizards Trilogy. I was rooting for Galaeron and Takari =)

It's too bad Elminster can't have any, well, relationships (besides El and Mystra) because of his life cycle. But I always thought Him and Immeira would be great. If you remember Immeira was the young woman El had a one-night stand with after he liberated the Starn from the Iron Foxes in The Temptation of Elminster.



El has had more lovers then just Mystra. He has kids scattered all over the place. One of them we will probably see in the new Elminster's Daugther novel. :)

Most of his past lovers are dead or undead now as well..... But some live still also. Wasn't the Zhent that Shandril killed also one of his past lovers as well as one of his many apprentices?

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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 04 Mar 2004 :  04:43:23  Show Profile  Visit SiriusBlack's Homepage Send SiriusBlack a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
But what about the Simbul?



Isn't a relationship with the Simbul like having a relationship with Glenn Close's character from Fatal Attraction?
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Zelg of Cyric
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Posted - 06 Mar 2004 :  07:34:11  Show Profile  Visit Zelg of Cyric's Homepage Send Zelg of Cyric a Private Message  Reply with Quote
My First Post!

If just wanted to say that if it's a great FR love triangle you're looking for, then read "The Spine of the World" by R.A. Salvatore. There is this peasant girl named Meralda Ganderlay, who has captured the heart of one Lord Feringal of Castle Auck. However, she has it bad for a peasant boy named Jaka, who returns her passion equally. It was great to see how that situation played out and how it was tied in with the story of Drizzt and his friends in the end. I don't want to give any spoilers away, just my recommendation for a great novel.

"Even before he first walked the world as a mortal, Cyric had the will to resist the random call of Fate and make his own fortune. As his newborn soul stood before the goddesses, he cast a light upon Tymora's silver coin, blinding them to his presence. The deities never saw the coin fall, never settled their wager on Cyric's destiny. Thus was he born into the world without any fate save the one he himself could forge." -- from the Cyrinishad
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Lord Rad
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Posted - 06 Mar 2004 :  09:46:18  Show Profile  Visit Lord Rad's Homepage Send Lord Rad a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Zelg of Cyric

My First Post!

If just wanted to say that if it's a great FR love triangle you're looking for, then read "The Spine of the World" by R.A. Salvatore. There is this peasant girl named Meralda Ganderlay, who has captured the heart of one Lord Feringal of Castle Auck. However, she has it bad for a peasant boy named Jaka, who returns her passion equally. It was great to see how that situation played out and how it was tied in with the story of Drizzt and his friends in the end. I don't want to give any spoilers away, just my recommendation for a great novel.



Of course!! How could I forget that one! That is CERTAINLY the biggest love triangle in any FR novel. Thanks for reminding me of that, Zelg

Lord Rad

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