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skychrome
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 Posted - 11 Nov 2009 : 19:47:17
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I don't recall any planar travel at all in Fistandantilus Reborn. Finder's Bane starts in the Realms, moves to the Outlands and then Sigil, spends some time there, and then goes to the Astral Plane. Tymora's Luck, despite having the FR logo, is almost entirely set in the planes -- I believe it was originally intended to be a Planescape novel. There are cut-scenes showing what's going on in the Realms; Volo appears in one, Mirt in another, and most of the rest focus on the next generation of Wyvernspurs.
No, what I meant was that I was unsure if one has to read "Fistandantilus Reborn" in order to not miss out something in Tymoras Luck and that is precisely what you answered for Alistair and me.
But I guess it is necessary to read the Finders Stone trilogy before Finders Bane and Tymoras Luck? |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 11 Nov 2009 : 22:04:20
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Originally posted by skychrome
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I don't recall any planar travel at all in Fistandantilus Reborn. Finder's Bane starts in the Realms, moves to the Outlands and then Sigil, spends some time there, and then goes to the Astral Plane. Tymora's Luck, despite having the FR logo, is almost entirely set in the planes -- I believe it was originally intended to be a Planescape novel. There are cut-scenes showing what's going on in the Realms; Volo appears in one, Mirt in another, and most of the rest focus on the next generation of Wyvernspurs.
No, what I meant was that I was unsure if one has to read "Fistandantilus Reborn" in order to not miss out something in Tymoras Luck and that is precisely what you answered for Alistair and me.
But I guess it is necessary to read the Finders Stone trilogy before Finders Bane and Tymoras Luck?
You mentioned wanting to see Planescape components, so I was letting you know what to expect. 
It helps to read the Finder's Stone trilogy, first, but isn't absolutely necessary. There's only one character that features largely in both trilogies, though the latter trilogy does reference the former one in places -- usually as passing references to the characters. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 00:36:45
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Originally posted by Alisttair
If it can be done without spoilers, just how much does the DragonLance novel - "Fistadantilus Reborn" sp? tie in? Thanks!
It's really just a DL novel, as Wooly noted above. You can even read it as a stand alone novel from the rest of the series without too much problem. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 00:37:52
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Fistandantilus Reborn is entirely a Dragonlance novel, and the events of it are quite questionable within the DL timeline -- it's basically, as I recall, an alternate Dragonlance history.
Well, most of it. There's been the odd reference to minor parts of the tale in various DL sources since the novel's publication. But the actual and main plot events run counter to most of what we know concerning Fistandantilus and his history. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 00:38:59
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Originally posted by Alisttair
Plus I haven't followed the Dragonlance history close enough for it to affect my understanding of Krynn
That's not really an issue. There's a highly detailed novel timeline floating around the DL forums on the DLNexus that should bring you up-to-date, if you're interested in learning more. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 00:40:16
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I don't recall any planar travel at all in Fistandantilus Reborn. Finder's Bane starts in the Realms, moves to the Outlands and then Sigil, spends some time there, and then goes to the Astral Plane. Tymora's Luck, despite having the FR logo, is almost entirely set in the planes -- I believe it was originally intended to be a Planescape novel. There are cut-scenes showing what's going on in the Realms; Volo appears in one, Mirt in another, and most of the rest focus on the next generation of Wyvernspurs.
Wooly has the right of it. Also, Finder's Bane is one of the few FR novels to actually mention/feature Sigil, which was kinda neat for PS fans like myself.
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Jorkens
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Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 07:09:44
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| I have owned Fistandantilus Rebornfor years, but never gotten around to reading it (probably because I didn't like Tymora's Luckall that much), so how is it? I dont care all that much how close it ties to canon Dragonlance (I prefer the Meetings and Prelude books to most of the others), just whether it is an entertaining read or not. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 07:41:46
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Originally posted by Jorkens
I have owned Fistandantilus Rebornfor years, but never gotten around to reading it (probably because I didn't like Tymora's Luckall that much), so how is it? I dont care all that much how close it ties to canon Dragonlance (I prefer the Meetings and Prelude books to most of the others), just whether it is an entertaining read or not.
It's decent enough, if you don't mind learning about Fistandantilus [or, rather, an alternate interpretation of those events]. The story itself starts off rather slow, but Doug Niles does an admirable job at ensuring DL fans can find something to enjoy in this tale. I certainly wouldn't list it as a "must read DL novel," but for those with a taste for stories like this, it's worth at least one read through. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 14:19:43
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Jorkens
I have owned Fistandantilus Rebornfor years, but never gotten around to reading it (probably because I didn't like Tymora's Luckall that much), so how is it? I dont care all that much how close it ties to canon Dragonlance (I prefer the Meetings and Prelude books to most of the others), just whether it is an entertaining read or not.
It's decent enough, if you don't mind learning about Fistandantilus [or, rather, an alternate interpretation of those events]. The story itself starts off rather slow, but Doug Niles does an admirable job at ensuring DL fans can find something to enjoy in this tale. I certainly wouldn't list it as a "must read DL novel," but for those with a taste for stories like this, it's worth at least one read through.
I do not agreee. I'm not a Douglas Niles fan -- I've read his Moonshae and Druidhome books, plus this one. Like the Moonshae trilogy, I found it rather slow, seeming to just drag on, with characters that just didn't interest me.
I did like his Druidhome books a lot more than the Moonshae books, but they're still pretty far from being my fave FR novels.
Anyway, there's a reason I generally skip this book when rereading the Lost Gods books, and it's the same reason I've not bothered to replace it yet. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 14:38:45
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I do not agreee. I'm not a Douglas Niles fan -- I've read his Moonshae and Druidhome books, plus this one. Like the Moonshae trilogy, I found it rather slow, seeming to just drag on, with characters that just didn't interest me.
I think it has to do with the subject material as well. It was hard for me to garner an interest in the interpretation of Fistandantilus in this novel, when I already knew so much about the actual canon explanation.
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Jorkens
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Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 17:04:29
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| Thanks both of you. I generaly like Niles, but I don't think the book will make it to the top of the heap just yet. Still, it might be an idea to give it a shot in the future. |
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Alisttair
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Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 17:37:13
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| I enjoyed the Moonshae novels personally. It's been a while so I can't comment on specifically why though. I remember liking the guy from Calimshan (what was his name again?) |
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Jorkens
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Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 17:43:44
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 12 Nov 2009 : 18:53:13
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Originally posted by Jorkens
Thanks both of you. I generaly like Niles, but I don't think the book will make it to the top of the heap just yet. Still, it might be an idea to give it a shot in the future.
Oh, I fully support reading the book and forming your own opinion. As much as I may dislike any particular book or trilogy, I try to avoid recommending against reading it -- I stick with saying I didn't like it or that I think it can be skipped. I think it's more important for people to make their own informed opinions, rather than relying solely on mine*.
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The Sage
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Posted - 13 Nov 2009 : 00:19:02
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Jorkens
Thanks both of you. I generaly like Niles, but I don't think the book will make it to the top of the heap just yet. Still, it might be an idea to give it a shot in the future.
Oh, I fully support reading the book and forming your own opinion. As much as I may dislike any particular book or trilogy, I try to avoid recommending against reading it -- I stick with saying I didn't like it or that I think it can be skipped. I think it's more important for people to make their own informed opinions ...
Agreed. As I said earlier, even if you're not a fan of these types of stories, it's still worth the read -- maybe when you've got nothing else more immediate to tackle.
I don't like to advocate the position of not reading any particular novel. It's up to the reader him/herself to make that decision.
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... rather than relying solely on mine*.
*Though I'm never wrong, of course, and my opinions are always 100% correct!
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The Red Walker
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Posted - 13 Nov 2009 : 01:00:28
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Especially this time.... Wooly is 100% incorrect
I consider Darkwalker on Moonshae one of the few "must read" FR novels! |
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Jorkens
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Posted - 13 Nov 2009 : 06:42:37
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*Though I'm never wrong, of course, and my opinions are always 100% correct!
It takes a big man to admit that Wooly. Most people would only claim themselves 90% all knowing. It is good to see that I am not alone.
Oh, and don't worry Wooly and Sage, I was just curious to hear from a couple of people who had read Fistandantilus Reborn. I still have a bunch of old Lin Carters and some old 50's sci-fi to get through before I can even think of reading this book. And even then it will probably not happen, but its useful to have in the back of ones head what other people think of it. |
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J D Dunsany
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Posted - 13 Nov 2009 : 09:06:55
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My personal feelings about the first Moonshae trilogy are mixed, really. It obviously owes a lot to 'Lord of the Rings', but the druid stuff worked pretty well for me. The third is the best of the trilogy, imho.
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Jorkens
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Posted - 13 Nov 2009 : 09:12:06
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Not all that obvious. there are some small similarities in the returning deity, but not that much.
I have more or less promised myself to never enter any discussion where Tolkien is the subject, but I am a bit curious as to what you were thinking of. |
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The Red Walker
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Posted - 13 Nov 2009 : 14:17:33
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Originally posted by J D Dunsany
My personal feelings about the first Moonshae trilogy are mixed, really. It obviously owes a lot to 'Lord of the Rings', but the druid stuff worked prethttp://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13034ty well for me. The third is the best of the trilogy, imho.
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I have yet to read any FR or other fantasy of this type and not found it owed aolt to LOTR.(from the subtle and well done to the blatant "re-imagining") |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 13 Nov 2009 : 14:50:33
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| It's been a long time since I read the Moonshae trilogy (I don't dislike the books; I just find them painfully slow), but I'm not recalling any Lord of the Rings vibes from it... The fantasy novel/series that most gave me those vibes were the early Shannara books, particularly The Sword of Shannara. |
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J D Dunsany
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Posted - 13 Nov 2009 : 14:52:59
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It's been over five years since I read the Moonshae trilogy, so my memory is necessarily hazy, but I do remember that the setting of the Moonshae Isles themselves reminded me very strongly of Middle-Earth. (Perhaps not surprising as they both take an idealised mythic version of the British Isles as their point of reference.)
Sorry. I know that's weak and I'm sure there were other reasons why I thought (and still think) that the trilogy 'owes a lot' to LoTR. Perhaps I should read the trilogy again and I might have something more constructive to say.
And, yes, The Red Walker, as D&D itself owes LoTR a fairly obvious creative debt, it's unsurprising that a series of novels based on that game system would resonate with echoes of Tolkien's work. Perhaps another similarity I was thinking of was 'Darkwalker on Moonshae's' formation of a 'fellowship' to fight an external force threatening the land, which seems more Tolkien-esque than, say, the formation and composition of Alias' group in 'Azure Bonds'.
And that's weak as well. Apologies for this. Perhaps I should re-read more thoroughly the novels I want to post about in future!
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Jorkens
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Posted - 13 Nov 2009 : 15:23:27
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Hey, no need to apologize, I was just curious.
I don't see it really, but I read Tolkien pretty late (and didn't finish LOTR until a couple of years ago) so I have a tendency to see more mythology and faerie tale influences. The group gathered to fight the threat is pretty common, with the Fianna, Argonauts and various groups of knights in quest stories. Arthurian romances and Robin Hood tales are also examples and also contains the more or less fictitious British Isles. The group Journey to the West would be another example. In fantasy I am reminded more of Anderson (Three Hearts and Three lions and the Broken Sword, Dickson (The Dragon and the George) and Vance (Lyonesse)when reading the Moonshae books.
Tolkien took from a number of sources and gave it a polished Edwardian form, but the sources he used are read by other people too, so the likenesses seen here can easily be coincidental. Shanarra is a good example of a series where it is clearly a case of very direct influence though, as are many of the newer fantasy series.
But I could of course be completely wrong here. For what I know Niles might have been heavily influenced by Tolkien and used ideas he found in LOTR.
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The Sage
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The Red Walker
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Posted - 13 Nov 2009 : 17:48:44
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Re-read the part about the sister knights, how beautiful their home is visually and audibly, the whole blinfolded to pass through etc, etc. Very Tolkien-ish.
I'm right up to date with FR novel reading, having read them all but plague of spells and it's follow up as wellas City of the Dead.
I'm looking to be talked back into The 4e novels, so if I can get to the book store I will pick up Rosemary's....anyone read it recently? |
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Alisttair
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Posted - 13 Nov 2009 : 17:50:50
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| Come on. Anything with Bhaal in it is great |
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Sandro
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Posted - 14 Nov 2009 : 00:04:08
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Come on. Anything with Bhaal in it is great
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MrsDrasek
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Posted - 14 Nov 2009 : 01:52:45
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I am so behind most here, although I have every book here at my disposal I have not come close to reading 1/3 of them.
I am in no way reading in any particular order, however I like to stick with the same people in the same books for a time.
I loved the Sembia Series and the Cale trilogy's. Right now I am just finishing Pauls Shadowstorm and will start Shadowrealm tonight.
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The Red Walker
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Posted - 14 Nov 2009 : 14:37:02
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Come on. Anything with Bhaal in it is great
Are you saying Bhaal is in City of the Dead? If so I will buy it forthwith! |
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swifty
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Posted - 15 Nov 2009 : 17:43:29
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| isnt bhaal dead? |
go back to sleep america.everything is under control.heres american gladiators.watch this.shuttup. BILL HICKS. |
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How up to date are you with reading FR novels?
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