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Brother Ezra
Learned Scribe
USA
268 Posts |
 Posted - 06 Jan 2005 : 14:29:15
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Sweet Mother of All that is Good and Pure! Just that small teaser has me more anxious than ever to get this book. The map is extraordinary, just what I was hoping for in this product. And the timeline excerpts indicate that the authors are going to focus on the demonic ties in Narfell, which is perfect for my current campaign in Damara.
This has been elevated from "Must Have" to "Camping out in front of my FLGS the night before the release date." Will February ever arrive? |
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Hymn
Senior Scribe
Sweden
514 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jan 2005 : 14:38:22
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| Wow, wait I just have to whipe the drool of my desk and keyboard. Looks like I will do the same Ezra now where did we stuff away that tent. The map just looks awesome. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jan 2005 : 15:50:12
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Originally posted by Brother Ezra
Just that small teaser has me more anxious than ever to get this book.
Yes, if the rest of the tome is anything like the excerpts, I am going to be one happy consumer. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Mystery_Man
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jan 2005 : 20:19:05
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I'm still as giddy as a schoolboy! 
-- George Krashos
I'm happy as a clam!  
The mind boggles trying to stat out a Qysar Shoon VII (NE male human demilich EL necromancer 31/archmage 5!!!.   |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jan 2005 : 02:44:58
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Now if those excerpts aren't making your mouth water, you can't be a true fan of the Realms. I've seen most of what's coming but I'm still as giddy as a schoolboy!
-- George Krashos
SAGE
If you come at him from Perth and I come at him from Sydney we'll have flanking on George and we can split his advance copy of LEOF 50/50 |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36876 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jan 2005 : 02:56:48
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| I, too, am quite looking forward to this book. I'd be drooling, but I obviously have more composure than some of you guys. |
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
921 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jan 2005 : 05:15:49
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Now if those excerpts aren't making your mouth water, you can't be a true fan of the Realms. I've seen most of what's coming but I'm still as giddy as a schoolboy!
-- George Krashos
SAGE
If you come at him from Perth and I come at him from Sydney we'll have flanking on George and we can split his advance copy of LEOF 50/50
Hah hah . . . Not if I get to him first, you won't
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jan 2005 : 06:06:50
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I, too, am quite looking forward to this book. I'd be drooling, but I obviously have more composure than some of you guys.
Which some? |
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hammer of Moradin
Senior Scribe
USA
758 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jan 2005 : 06:07:51
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Map!Map!Map!Map!Map!Map!Map!Map!Map!Map!Map!
I'm pretty excited about that map. Ya know, they could print a book of maps, or a portfolio of maps, and I would likely pay $50 US easy for a product like that.
Lost Empires should be good to. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jan 2005 : 06:14:50
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Originally posted by hammer of Moradin
Map!Map!Map!Map!Map!Map!Map!Map!Map!Map!Map!
I'm pretty excited about that map. Ya know, they could print a book of maps, or a portfolio of maps, and I would likely pay $50 US easy for a product like that.
Lost Empires should be good to.
Good maps like full sized ones? Yeah, I most likely would be right there with you. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jan 2005 : 08:30:55
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Now if those excerpts aren't making your mouth water, you can't be a true fan of the Realms. I've seen most of what's coming but I'm still as giddy as a schoolboy!
-- George Krashos
SAGE
If you come at him from Perth and I come at him from Sydney we'll have flanking on George and we can split his advance copy of LEOF 50/50
George has the special ability of being immune to flanking. Tis from being too learned of a scholar, he's read all the tricks that can be done. |
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Mystery_Man
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jan 2005 : 13:44:13
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Originally posted by hammer of Moradin
Map!Map!Map!Map!Map!Map!Map!Map!Map!Map!Map!
I'm pretty excited about that map. Ya know, they could print a book of maps, or a portfolio of maps, and I would likely pay $50 US easy for a product like that.
Lost Empires should be good to.
Speaking of Maps, didja see the preview they posted?
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/TheYearofOathsForsaken2.jpg
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2005 : 01:02:00
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Have to say im a little disappointed with the map
I was really hoping that they'd include cities on the map but it looks like where only going to get regions and nations.
I was really hoping that LEOF would show the locations of where all the Netherese cities came down when Netheril fell
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Kentinal
Great Reader
4693 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2005 : 01:17:33
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There might be more detail and regional maps in prodct.
However we will need to wait and see what is included to know one way or the other. I also was not impressed by the image asfar as that goes. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6680 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2005 : 02:45:58
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Have to say im a little disappointed with the map
I was really hoping that they'd include cities on the map but it looks like where only going to get regions and nations.
Hey c'mon - they can't do everything for you. Any FR fan can look through the 17 years or so of FR products and pinpoint all of the cities and settlements and put them on the map themselves. Back in my day ...
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I was really hoping that LEOF would show the locations of where all the Netherese cities came down when Netheril fell
And what would be the fun in that? As a DM I'd then be constrained in terms of where I put my ruined Netherese cities. It's a fine line between detailing everything and detailing most everything.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36876 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2005 : 03:02:37
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Originally posted by Dargoth
I was really hoping that LEOF would show the locations of where all the Netherese cities came down when Netheril fell
Well, we know the locale of the three that the new-born Mystra "caught." And we know the locale of two in the Sea of Fallen Stars and one off the coast of Tethyr... I wouldn't mind knowing a few more, but what we already have is a good enough start for me.  |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2005 : 03:07:02
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I prefer the old school of FR books where the Developers told the DM exactly what was going on (The 1ed Grey Boxset)and what the players know.
As for locating where the cities are its near impossiable the old Age of Netheril boxset had maps with where the cities where but obviously that was pre the appearance of Annouch desert and the disappearance of promient Netherese era land marks (Due to the Sharn magic) however added to this I now have to deal with the 3ed Changes to the FR map which makes most of the Netheril era map completely unrecognisable on the 3ed FR map |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2005 : 06:07:57
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
It is a nice map, but it would have been nicer if it was bigger.
Yes, I'm very curious on how big the map is within the product. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2005 : 06:41:50
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
It is a nice map, but it would have been nicer if it was bigger.
Yes, I'm very curious on how big the map is within the product.
its a 2 page spread like the one in Underdark |
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Mystery_Man
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2005 : 14:44:47
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Originally posted by Dargoth
I prefer the old school of FR books where the Developers told the DM exactly what was going on (The 1ed Grey Boxset)and what the players know.
As for locating where the cities are its near impossiable the old Age of Netheril boxset had maps with where the cities where but obviously that was pre the appearance of Annouch desert and the disappearance of promient Netherese era land marks (Due to the Sharn magic) however added to this I now have to deal with the 3ed Changes to the FR map which makes most of the Netheril era map completely unrecognisable on the 3ed FR map
I'll have to go with Wooley and Krash on this one. There is such a thing as too much detail. For example, I'd rather have the freedom of putting a Netheril crash site just about anywhere I want. I think they don't detail these things on purpose so that DM's have the freedom to do it themselves.
As for the maps being in the book as opposed to pull out. I actually prefer it. Maps get lost, torn, bent, crap gets spilled on them. If its in the book its safe. I'll never lose it and its easy to reference. It all comes down to personal preference here. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2005 : 15:14:32
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Originally posted by Dargoth
its a 2 page spread like the one in Underdark
A centerfold? How interesting. |
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
1098 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jan 2005 : 14:19:21
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Originally posted by Elf_Friend
I'll have to go with Wooley and Krash on this one. There is such a thing as too much detail. For example, I'd rather have the freedom of putting a Netheril crash site just about anywhere I want. I think they don't detail these things on purpose so that DM's have the freedom to do it themselves.
I'll have to disagree here. For those of us that no longer DM but has an intense love for the setting, it's impossible to have too much detail. After all, A DM can always alter anything he/she desires to suit their campaign. Don't like where WotC placed the Netheril crash sites? Just move them. Those of us without campaigns have no desire to *customize* things for our worlds. Tell us where the crash sites are damn it! |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jan 2005 : 15:06:07
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Originally posted by Realmslore
Don't like where WotC placed the Netheril crash sites? Just move them.
That would seem to make sense. Of course, by doing that, a fan's campaign, if he/she had one, would no longer be following canon  |
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Gray Richardson
Master of Realmslore
USA
1291 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jan 2005 : 18:03:56
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I'm with Brian, I don't think there can be too much Realmslore.
I love to know every detail of canon, but I don't have a problem changing things up to suit my campaign where needed.
Every campaign diverges from canon at some point. Even if you meticulously try to follow canon, if you are running an ongoing campaign, then a novel or sourcebook is likely to be published that will change assumptions about the NPC, or the place or the god you were using, making your campaign suddenly an alternate history.
But that's okay. I like to think that no one is playing in the real Realms--everyone's campaign is one of an infinite number of alternate reality Realms that diverges in some small measure from every other. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jan 2005 : 18:49:32
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Originally posted by Gray Richardson
I'm with Brian, I don't think there can be too much Realmslore.
I love to know every detail of canon, but I don't have a problem changing things up to suit my campaign where needed.
Every campaign diverges from canon at some point. Even if you meticulously try to follow canon, if you are running an ongoing campaign, then a novel or sourcebook is likely to be published that will change assumptions about the NPC, or the place or the god you were using, making your campaign suddenly an alternate history.
But that's okay. I like to think that no one is playing in the real Realms--everyone's campaign is one of an infinite number of alternate reality Realms that diverges in some small measure from every other.
Aye, being true to canon isn't always the best way to go. My own FR Campaigns (two) has alot more gods than current Canon says.
Then my Drow campaign really goes alway from Canon. Drizzt never left Menzoberranzan, Zak is still alive, House Do'Urden was never destroyed. But otherwise says to Canon. Companions of the Hall do exist and did reclaim Mithral Hall just without Drizzt helping. Matron Baenre is still alive, hasn't attempted to invade Mithral Hall yet. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jan 2005 : 19:07:21
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Originally posted by Gray Richardson
I'm with Brian, I don't think there can be too much Realmslore.
I love to know every detail of canon, but I don't have a problem changing things up to suit my campaign where needed.
Every campaign diverges from canon at some point. Even if you meticulously try to follow canon, if you are running an ongoing campaign, then a novel or sourcebook is likely to be published that will change assumptions about the NPC, or the place or the god you were using, making your campaign suddenly an alternate history.
But that's okay. I like to think that no one is playing in the real Realms--everyone's campaign is one of an infinite number of alternate reality Realms that diverges in some small measure from every other.
As Gray knows, since I've argued with him enough times about this over on the boards that must not be named, this is how I stand. This is also why I WANT WOTC to detail the new planes and stop giving us the silly, "We changed it and now all your old lore is worthless in canon and the planes have always been this way." They have done this with more then just the planes as well and yes some of us have complained about it for years.
I guess Steven, Ed, Eric, and others spoiled us in 2e and we demand that from WOTC still. :)
Or maybe I'm just a vocal loudmouth that needs to shut up and stop being a "canon nazi" who demands that WOTC explains thier changes with an in game explaination.  |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Jan 2005 : 19:30:27
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Originally posted by kuje31
Or maybe I'm just a vocal loudmouth that needs to shut up and stop being a "canon nazi" who demands that WOTC explains thier changes with an in game explaination.
Well it would be interesting to understand how infravission turned into darkvission and MR turned into SR, such a project would appear to be rather major undertaking.
Yes it is useful to have a smooth transition, however the conversion was massive to the entire system and many defy explaination. The redefining of planes yes appears to be a bug not well explained. Lolth it appears might being moving out of the abyse for example.
I do not expect that everything that was canon to be imediately replaced with corrected canon. The amount of material (espcially if including novels) that require revission to be 3.5 complient is massive.
Now if WotC though that they could sell the revisions on a large enough scale, they most certainly would do so. That would result in over something like 1,500 USD per gamer if not more. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jan 2005 : 21:12:16
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Originally posted by warlockco
My own FR Campaigns (two) has alot more gods than current Canon says.
How many more gods and what roles do they fill? |
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Lost Empires of Faerun sourcebook
