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Krafus
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 08 May 2005 : 14:09:58
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I can only echo SiriusBlack, The Blue Sorceress. You've stated in your last posts many of my misgivings about this series far more eloquently than I could ever have. |
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Neriandal Freit
Senior Scribe
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396 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2005 : 14:43:38
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Can I just state the obvious? Where was the actual War of the Spider Queen?
What I didn't like was how The Twins of Araunshee and Corellon were made out to be total Dolts. Come on! They are the off springs of two powerful deities, both Lesser when it comes to ranks and both can hold their own against mommy. But for what ever reason they didn't send their most powerful, devote followers in to wage WAR against mother. They didn't make an alliance to wage War against there mother.
None of the series in the end had an effect. Lolth is a Greater and has a Chosen of sorts. Two of her cities are destroyed, neither really had a Novel or two devoted to them. Quenthel did nothing new and exciting, sure she summoned one of the most powerful Demons possible, but eh.
Oh, explain how an Ultraloth is killed for the fourth time by a Wizard in two spells?
I think Paul did a fantasic job WRITING it, but I don't think the script he was to work with was fair to him at all.
Edit: I don't even feel that Salvatore really did this script. If he did it would have been Epic all the way through, for who ever the writter was. The best Epic scene was Father against Son in a book...three I think. I believe some Amateur writter scripted this.
And it'd of been niffty to see say Elaine Cunningham and Salvatore write the last two books. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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5517 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2005 : 14:48:50
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Originally posted by Slime Lord
Can I just state the obvious? Where was the actual War of the Spider Queen?
Yes, I can see how an argument could be made that this was a misnomer.
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What I didn't like was how The Twins of Araunshee and Corellon were made out to be total Dolts. Come on! They are the off springs of two powerful deities, both Lesser when it comes to ranks and both can hold their own against mommy. But for what ever reason they didn't send their most powerful, devote followers in to wage WAR against mother. They didn't make an alliance to wage War against there mother.
I said it before and I'll say it again. When it comes to those two, I feel they are portrayed as the Keystone Cops of the Drow Pantheon.
I was disappointed with the last two novels. I still wish to keep them to complete the series. But, the conclusion to this series has convinced me to never fall into a similar trap again when it comes to WOTC and fiction regarding drow.
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And don't get me wrong here. I think Paul did a fantasic job WRITING it, but I don't think the script he was to work with was fair to him at all.
What do you mean? Mr. Kemp has been pretty explicit in stating everything in the last book was his doing save for the identity of the Yorthae. |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 May 2005 : 15:07:29
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
What do you mean? Mr. Kemp has been pretty explicit in stating everything in the last book was his doing save for the identity of the Yorthae.
Well I suspect he could not kill Lolth either, however indeed has indicated was allowed a lot of options.
Mr. Kemp though also would be to some degree limited based on what the other 5 of the series had already told. Not sure how well introducing many new players of power in the story. Having a heroine show up to change the outcome in the last chapter, for example, would not tend to be well recieved. The readers would be where did she come from? |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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Neriandal Freit
Senior Scribe
USA
396 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2005 : 19:01:39
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Well, I believe there was a script all of them where falling.
This, That, that and This all must happen, which puts a damper on what one can do. Again, I think he did a good job writing it, but the script he was supposed to follow...
And what do you mean by Keystone? I don't follow. |
"Eating people is wrong...unless it's on the first date." - Ed Greenwood, GenCon Indy 2006 |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 May 2005 : 19:15:25
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Originally posted by Slime Lord
And what do you mean by Keystone? I don't follow.
Keystone Cops , ancirnt movie history (before talkies even).
Police officers that bumbled everything. Could not do anythinh right, fall all over themselves and on the odd chance managed to arrest someone (very low odds) escape was easy. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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The Blue Sorceress
Learned Scribe
107 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2005 : 20:23:38
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Originally posted by Slime Lord
Well, I believe there was a script all of them where falling.
It took me a while to decode this sentence.
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This, That, that and This all must happen, which puts a damper on what one can do. Again, I think he did a good job writing it, but the script he was supposed to follow...
There's always the chance to exceed the limitations that have been put on you. Sonnets, for example, follow a very strict form, but some of the most beautiful poems in the world are sonnets. If anything the limitations of the script should have made it easier to write a decent novel because, with certain elements of plot already decided the author can concentrate more on making the characters consistant and believeable and put some real artistry into his writing.
I don't think the main outline for the novels was bad, in fact I think it was at least reasonably interesting, but I think that the writers, more in the last three novels than the first, didn't do a very good job of making the plot and characters believable.
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Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely.
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Crust
Learned Scribe
USA
273 Posts |
Posted - 16 May 2005 : 12:41:25
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I just finished Resurrection finally. I was very pleased with the read. I actually devoured the book in just a few days, which is rare. I just finished a great streak of novels with The Rite, The Forsaken House, Realms of Dragons, Sapphire Crescent, Ruby Guardian, and Resurrection. What a great ride.
*SPOILERS*
Every plot hook was just awesome. The introduction of Inthracis was just great. An ultroloth. Finally. His canoloth pets were a nice touch. His nycaloth generals... That's just the kind of thing I would use at the gaming table.
I was happy to see Pharaun get his hits in on Jeggred. That tension has been building since Insurrection I think.
Quenthel was back to being her normal, evil self, which was great. I couldn't stand it when she was wallowing in self-doubt on the deck of that ridiculous Ship of Chaos.
Halisstra's hop scotch between Elistraee and Lolth was interesting. I always thought it kind of odd that she just became a cleric of Elistraee so easily. The shift back made sense to me.
Gromph's spellcasting was amazing in this book, which is a complete turn around from Annihilation and that DISPICABLE spell duel he had with Dyrr. Gromph wasn't destroying much, but his investigation into House Dyrr's wards and protections was very interesting. I love that level of spellcasting, trying to thwart scrying, breaching defenses, and just solving magical puzzles with clever spellcasting. Very entertaining.
Danifae and Jeggred were an interesting duo, but I must say that I was getting tired of watching Danifae and Quenthel engage in their stare down contests. It got tiresome. I was somewhat confused about why they didn't try to destroy one another. I suppose it was fate that they survived to make it to Lolth's temple.
And the Demonweb Pits... I thought that plane was done extremely well. The Teeming was just amazing. What an interesting phenomena. What an awesome symbol of chaos.
I loved the individual paths taken by the characters as they stepped into the Pass of the Soulreaver. That scene kind of reminded me of an old Dragonlance module Dragons of Dreams, where the characters each have their own personalized dream sequences while they approach Silvanesti and Cyan Bloodbane.
I was waiting to hear about Valas Hune throughout the entire novel. Didn't he get imprisoned by aboleths? I don't remember him escaping, and I didn't bother to look at Annihilation for a reminder. I'm glad he's still alive. I love his character.
The moment that made my jaw drop was when Quenthel gated in a klurichir. A klurichir! That demon is the gem of the Fiend Folio. What a beast! I used a klurichir at the gaming table once (it was one of the guardian tanar'ri in Acererak's Fortress of Conclusion), and that battle was epic. I was kind of disappointed that the klurichir in the novel sort of flew off and dealt death off to the side, but the appearance of such a monster was amazing. The naming of a price after the summoning was interesting, even in the case of the nalfeshnee and the chasme. Great demon moments in this book.
The best part is the fact that so much is left open for the future. Valas is back, Quenthel survived, Gromph survived, Pharaun's finger survived (???), Danifae is this new Yor'thae (which was left largely unexplained), Nimor's future is in question, and Hallistra is what seems to be some sort of vampire cleric perhaps? Just a guess.
The worst part of the end of War of the Spider Queen is the fact that Ryld Argith and Jeggred are dead (at least from what I gathered they'll stay dead). That really stinks. I liked those two.
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"That's right, hurl back views that force ye to think by name-calling - 'tis the grand old tradition, let it not down! Anything to keep from having to think, or - Mystra forfend - change thy own views!"
Narnra glowered at her father. "Just how am I to learn how to think? By being taught by you?"
"Some folk in the Realms would give their lives for the chance to learn at my feet," Elminster said mildly. "Several already have."
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Edited by - Crust on 16 May 2005 17:17:43 |
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Neriandal Freit
Senior Scribe
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396 Posts |
Posted - 16 May 2005 : 13:44:58
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| I was glad to see a few things in here in there the way they played, but 89% of it just...bleh'd me. |
"Eating people is wrong...unless it's on the first date." - Ed Greenwood, GenCon Indy 2006 |
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Crust
Learned Scribe
USA
273 Posts |
Posted - 16 May 2005 : 14:06:36
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Hey, it's not like the book enlightened me or anything like that. I just HAD to see how things panned out, and I enjoyed the ride.
I have this same conversation with a few of my friends. Take Matrix Revolutions. I wasn't expecting to be blown out of my seat with brilliant philosophical references and razor sharp plot angles, etc. etc. I just HAD to see how things turned out. I was entertained. Some of my overly critical friends were disappointed, but what did they expect?
I have the same feelings toward Revenge of the Sith. I doubt the movie will cause me to change my religion or rethink my philosophy on life in general. It's just that I MUST see how things turn out, and that alone gets me excited.
Ressurection was a great ride. I also like what Paul Kemp is doing for FR, so that was another reason I dove into the novel. |
"That's right, hurl back views that force ye to think by name-calling - 'tis the grand old tradition, let it not down! Anything to keep from having to think, or - Mystra forfend - change thy own views!"
Narnra glowered at her father. "Just how am I to learn how to think? By being taught by you?"
"Some folk in the Realms would give their lives for the chance to learn at my feet," Elminster said mildly. "Several already have."
~from Elminster's Daughter, Ed Greenwood |
Edited by - Crust on 16 May 2005 14:08:01 |
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Krafus
Learned Scribe
246 Posts |
Posted - 16 May 2005 : 14:45:20
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Originally posted by Crust
The best part is the fact that so much is left open for the future. Valas is back, Quenthel survived, Gromph survived, Pharaun's finger survived (???), Danifae is this new Yor'thae (which was left largely unexplained), and Hallistra is what seems to be some sort of vampire cleric perhaps? Just a guess.
The worst part of the end of War of the Spider Queen is the fact that Ryld Argith and Jeggred are dead (at least from what I gathered they'll stay dead). That really stinks. I liked those two.
Well, I'm glad you enjoyed it. For myself, the ending was a bitter disappointment. The series' most interesting characters - Hallistra, Danifae, Ryld and most of all Pharaun - are all dead or otherwise so changed that even if they appear in subsequent novels we won't recognize them. Menzoberranzan, Lloth's worship, the Academy, House Baenre and the pre-WotSQ Baenre characters are still standing and will recover. |
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Freakboy
Seeker
USA
63 Posts |
Posted - 16 May 2005 : 23:39:16
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Originally posted by Crust
I just finished Resurrection finally. I was very pleased with the read. I actually devoured the book in just a few days, which is rare. I just finished a great streak of novels with The Rite, The Forsaken House, Realms of Dragons, Sapphire Crescent, Ruby Guardian, and Resurrection. What a great ride.
*SPOILERS*
Every plot hook was just awesome. The introduction of Inthracis was just great. An ultroloth. Finally. His canoloth pets were a nice touch. His nycaloth generals... That's just the kind of thing I would use at the gaming table.
I was happy to see Pharaun get his hits in on Jeggred. That tension has been building since Insurrection I think.
Quenthel was back to being her normal, evil self, which was great. I couldn't stand it when she was wallowing in self-doubt on the deck of that ridiculous Ship of Chaos.
Halisstra's hop scotch between Elistraee and Lolth was interesting. I always thought it kind of odd that she just became a cleric of Elistraee so easily. The shift back made sense to me.
Gromph's spellcasting was amazing in this book, which is a complete turn around from Annihilation and that DISPICABLE spell duel he had with Dyrr. Gromph wasn't destroying much, but his investigation into House Dyrr's wards and protections was very interesting. I love that level of spellcasting, trying to thwart scrying, breaching defenses, and just solving magical puzzles with clever spellcasting. Very entertaining.
Danifae and Jeggred were an interesting duo, but I must say that I was getting tired of watching Danifae and Quenthel engage in their stare down contests. It got tiresome. I was somewhat confused about why they didn't try to destroy one another. I suppose it was fate that they survived to make it to Lolth's temple.
And the Demonweb Pits... I thought that plane was done extremely well. The Teeming was just amazing. What an interesting phenomena. What an awesome symbol of chaos.
I loved the individual paths taken by the characters as they stepped into the Pass of the Soulreaver. That scene kind of reminded me of an old Dragonlance module Dragons of Dreams, where the characters each have their own personalized dream sequences while they approach Silvanesti and Cyan Bloodbane.
I was waiting to hear about Valas Hune throughout the entire novel. Didn't he get imprisoned by aboleths? I don't remember him escaping, and I didn't bother to look at Annihilation for a reminder. I'm glad he's still alive. I love his character.
The moment that made my jaw drop was when Quenthel gated in a klurichir. A klurichir! That demon is the gem of the Fiend Folio. What a beast! I used a klurichir at the gaming table once (it was one of the guardian tanar'ri in Acererak's Fortress of Conclusion), and that battle was epic. I was kind of disappointed that the klurichir in the novel sort of flew off and dealt death off to the side, but the appearance of such a monster was amazing. The naming of a price after the summoning was interesting, even in the case of the nalfeshnee and the chasme. Great demon moments in this book.
The best part is the fact that so much is left open for the future. Valas is back, Quenthel survived, Gromph survived, Pharaun's finger survived (???), Danifae is this new Yor'thae (which was left largely unexplained), Nimor's future is in question, and Hallistra is what seems to be some sort of vampire cleric perhaps? Just a guess.
The worst part of the end of War of the Spider Queen is the fact that Ryld Argith and Jeggred are dead (at least from what I gathered they'll stay dead). That really stinks. I liked those two.
Glad to hear you liked it Crust. I loved it too for all the reasons you said. That Klurichir moment will always stand out in my mind as one of the great "summoning" moments in any Realms novel. I used the description word for word of the Klurichir Quenthel gated in for when my high level party ran into one that had set itself up as the lord of an abyssal pocket dimension they had to explore to get an artifact that would let them get into the fortress of our campaign's main antagonist. It was classic gaming stuff with the party finishing it off after 6 of the 8 characters had been killed by it and it's minions. This is a party of 20th-23rd level characters too. They are in the process of finishing off this epic campaign by hunting down the antagonist who's agents have been harassing them since 3rd level. Great stuff top to bottom though. That Klurichir is ferocity personified. I think it could possibly take on one of the lords of nine or a demon prince and have a decent shot.
Still, glad to see someone else who enjoyed the novel as much as I did. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 30 May 2005 : 06:23:49
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Ha! I finally got a copy of Resurrection today! It was the last copy at the bookstore. Oh, I'm about 3 chapters into it... I don't know if it's coz I haven't read a new FR novel in a long time, but things seem to be having a slow start.
BTW, I got a really funny story to share with you guys, my fellow scribes. You guys know how the pages of all six hard-cover novels in the WotSQ have those same kind of uneven edges, "tattered style" on the pages; like a 3 year old took a pair of scissors and unsucessfully tried to cut a straight line on the side of the page? Well, I went with my mum to Indigo bookstore for Resurrection (coz she payin since my birthday coming up  ) and when she saw that, she starts freaking out about how bad the condition of the book was in. Then she starts wondering about if there was a discount since the book was in "bad condition". Lol. I, of course, thought that was absurd because the first five books had that same sort of "style" too. Nevertheless, my mother went up to one of the employees and asked her. To my big surprise, the clerk gave my mother a 10% discount (since she couldn't get us another copy as that was the last one), so that means I got 20% off on the book coz I also had a membership card that gives me 10% off. LOL.
Consider this a money-saving tip from me to my fellow scribes who wants to get the hardcovers but find them to be too expensive. Try using this "trick"!  |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 May 2005 : 16:16:16
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 31 May 2005 : 00:22:20
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Your mum sounds devious. I love it.
Lol. Yup... The Spider Queen living inside my home.
Hmm... I'm about halfway into the book and I'm enjoying what's happening. The style of writing is very much Mr. Kemp's style, slowly building up to a big climax with several different situations occuring. I can't wait to get to the end.
However, one thing that kind of got to me were the terms used in the novels, such as "matrix", "sensor", and "grid". These are only several examples I remember of, but they make the novel seem more like sci-fi than fantasy to me... |
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Neriandal Freit
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 31 May 2005 : 01:10:57
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Originally posted by DDH_101
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Your mum sounds devious. I love it.
Lol. Yup... The Spider Queen living inside my home.
Hmm... I'm about halfway into the book and I'm enjoying what's happening. The style of writing is very much Mr. Kemp's style, slowly building up to a big climax with several different situations occuring. I can't wait to get to the end.
However, one thing that kind of got to me were the terms used in the novels, such as "matrix", "sensor", and "grid". These are only several examples I remember of, but they make the novel seem more like sci-fi than fantasy to me...
Don't get to excited. There isn't much of a Climax at the end. |
"Eating people is wrong...unless it's on the first date." - Ed Greenwood, GenCon Indy 2006 |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 31 May 2005 : 06:32:19
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(sigh) Slime Lord, I know... I just finished the book. There's way too many loose ends at the end. I mean, obviously we all know Pharaun is going to come back, probably even more powerful than before or something. As a fellow scribe here has said, "Nobody stays dead in 3E." Lol.
However, the one thing that annoys me was the awarding of being Yor'thae. There was such a big build-up to it, but I don't really see a big impact or Danifae getting anything special. |
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Krafus
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 31 May 2005 : 13:47:34
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Originally posted by DDH_101
(sigh) Slime Lord, I know... I just finished the book. There's way too many loose ends at the end. I mean, obviously we all know Pharaun is going to come back, probably even more powerful than before or something. As a fellow scribe here has said, "Nobody stays dead in 3E." Lol.
Well, I for one wouldn't mind seeing Pharaun back, but I wish he hadn't died in the first place. Just his survival would have been enough for me shake off my disappointment at the book's (and the series') ending and come away, if not happy, then at least satisfied. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 01 Jun 2005 : 00:02:36
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| However, Krafus, with this ending, we are all pretty sure that WotC is going to spawn a sequel to this with Pharaun as a protagonist. I'm not surprised to see this happen, as Pharaun has been the most popular character in WotSQ since the first book. |
"Trust in the shadows, for the bright way makes you an easy target." -Mask |
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Krafus
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 01 Jun 2005 : 03:08:35
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Originally posted by DDH_101
However, Krafus, with this ending, we are all pretty sure that WotC is going to spawn a sequel to this with Pharaun as a protagonist. I'm not surprised to see this happen, as Pharaun has been the most popular character in WotSQ since the first book.
Well, I haven't seen any hint that WotC is planning to bring back Pharaun. Has there been an announcement somewhere that I missed? |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 01 Jun 2005 : 04:11:23
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| I was just speculating. WotC probably wouldn't even consider such an idea right now as there are many new series coming out already... |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 Jun 2005 : 01:35:39
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It sounds more like Paul Kemp did this to keep the possibility alive that Pharaun would return, rather than a directive to keep Pharaun "around" in the future.
In fact, if WOTC had immediate plans, I would assume they would have made his death more mysterious (i.e. no one found the body). |
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 Jun 2005 : 08:10:22
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Originally posted by DDH_101
However, Krafus, with this ending, we are all pretty sure that WotC is going to spawn a sequel to this with Pharaun as a protagonist. I'm not surprised to see this happen, as Pharaun has been the most popular character in WotSQ since the first book.
Noooo. I think that it's good that Paul killed off Pharaun. It's a shock to kill off a popular character and has a big impact on the reader. I loved Pharaun, he is one of my favorite characters of the Realms, but I wouldn't want to see him come back to life! It was shocking when I read of his death, but that was one of the parts of the book that i'll never forget.
Look what happened when RAS killed off Wulfgar....then brought him back... outrage! It was a bad move but RAS\TSR brought him back because of the initial reaction of having him killed, people didn't like it.
It's this sort of thing that I like about Paul's writing, it's darker than most FR novels, and he isn't afraid to avoid the "happily ever after" conclusion.
IMO, Pharaun's death is a good thing as far as the writing flavor and style and the story impact is concerned. I think Paul did a fantastic job of wrapping up this series.  |
Lord Rad
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 02 Jun 2005 : 10:43:06
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| You mean he did a fantastic job salvaging the absolute ruin known as book 5....... |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 02 Jun 2005 : 22:52:44
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| Lord Rad, but it was pretty obvious that this isn't going to be the end of Pharaun. I mean, leaving behind an intact finger with his Sorcere ring still attached and then having Aliiza find it? Pharaun will probably return, but I hope not just a straight-forward resurrection. I want him to maybe become a lichdrow like Lord Dyrr, or perhaps even make him return as some kind of demonic creature. |
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 Jun 2005 : 23:10:35
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Lord Rad, but it was pretty obvious that this isn't going to be the end of Pharaun. I mean, leaving behind an intact finger with his Sorcere ring still attached and then having Aliiza find it? Pharaun will probably return, but I hope not just a straight-forward resurrection. I want him to maybe become a lichdrow like Lord Dyrr, or perhaps even make him return as some kind of demonic creature.
I still disagree that it was meant as an opening for bring Pharaun back. I think that was written as a closure for Alizza. I loved that bit where she says something like "well I get a bit of you afterall"
I guess I just prefer darker and more shocking books where the author isn't concerned about killing of characters, no matter how popular they are. This way, theres no knowing what will happen next and theres always the chance that your favorite character could bite the dust. I find Paul's writing to be quite stunning in this way, not only with this novel but also with his Sembia book and Cale Trilogy (to date). I believe he set a whole new flavor for the Realms with Shadows Witness and made a great leap into a new no-holds-barred style of writing. |
Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
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Danilo Thann
Acolyte
Canada
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Posted - 05 Jun 2005 : 10:23:41
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| Okay so I don't reallly post that much here, and this will probably get the boot from Alaundo but for me it must be said. I know that R.A.S. was involved with the premise(sp?) behind the WoTSQ novels and I we all know that he wrote "The Two Swords" so here is my concern. Disagree if you want. I've been reading the stories of Drizzt since I was about 18 (I'm 32 now believe it or not) and throughout all of his adventures never in my life did I ever think that an orc....AN ORC!!!! Would get the better of such a hero. I mean c'mon we've seen him beat Artemis, a balor(twice), an evil artifact, Menzo's most powerful, the Sword Coast's most infamous pirates, and just about every enemy he's faced....yet an orc fights him to a draw?!?!?! Then...enter the WoTSQ and possibly the most colorful, excellent, interesting character of all Realmslore gets killed after 6 novels? (btw Pharaun was the ONLY reason I kept reading this series after book 3...) As a fan, I'm angry, seriously. I know that Paul S. Kemp is a great writer, and I respect his work, and it isn't his fault but c'mon What was the purpose behind: 1st taking away Pharaun's independant nature, THEN killing him off for his sacrifice?? |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Jun 2005 : 15:18:21
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I don't know . . . in the history of Realmslore far more influential and powerful heroes have been slain by orcs over the millenia. Grummsh even managed to kill Ra in Mulhorand. One of the things I DIDN'T have a problem with there was that Obould was presented as dangerous (remember, he did knock a frost giantess on her behind).
I don't know why Pharaun was killed, though Paul S. Kemp said that the team decided that Pharaun wouldn't have had a future in Menzoberranzan if he returned because Gromph would consider him a rival. I don't know that such an explanation really sounds right to me (dark elf society is all about conflict and station, so why not let this take its course rather than nip it in the editorial process?), but we also don't know to what extent all of the players decided who lives and who dies, we just know most of those decisions were indeed by comitee |
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PaulSKemp
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Posted - 05 Jun 2005 : 15:24:59
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
I don't know why Pharaun was killed, though Paul S. Kemp said that the team decided that Pharaun wouldn't have had a future in Menzoberranzan if he returned because Gromph would consider him a rival. I don't know that such an explanation really sounds right to me (dark elf society is all about conflict and station, so why not let this take its course rather than nip it in the editorial process?), but we also don't know to what extent all of the players decided who lives and who dies, we just know most of those decisions were indeed by comitee
A correction: Discussion of who lived and died was a collaborative process. That is standard with all books. The final decision, however, was mine.
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Edited by - PaulSKemp on 05 Jun 2005 15:27:14 |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Jun 2005 : 15:27:35
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| Sorry Paul, didn't mean to mischaractarize there . . . I just wanted to point out that whatever else anyone may think of RAS he wasn't an ogre standing over all of you writers on the series saying "Kill that one, he's too popular." |
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Resurrection (WotSQ #6) - SPOILERS
