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Kes_Alanadel
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 13 Oct 2005 : 15:31:03
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Well Met,
I am reading through the Waterdeep Sourcebook (which I enjoy very much, good job Eric ), and there are alot of references to this event throughout the book. Being new to the Realms, I have no clue what it is, or when it occured . I searched the forums, and am in the proccess of going through the scrolls here, but could some one please point me to the correct section, or any other resources where I can find it.
Thanks in advance
~Kes
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Oct 2005 : 17:20:34
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Undermountain: Stardock. :)
Basically when the Twisted Rune kidnapped Halaster and took him to the moon, all of his Undermountain magic went nuts and released the beings that he kept locked in his zoo and they scattered all over Faerun.
It took place Harvestide 1369. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 13 Oct 2005 : 17:34:11
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To offer a bit more info...
Undermountain: Stardock was one of the Dungeon Crawl modules for 2E. It was the third and final module set in Undermountain (the other two were The Lost Level and Madgoth's Castle (sp?)).
The Twisted Rune is a cabal of evil spellcasters; they kidnapped Halaster so they could gain his knowledge of portals. With the Mad Mage outside of his playground, the many layers of spells he's wrought down there started going awry. All over the Realms, portals to and from Undermountain were opening. Some grabbed unsuspecting people, pulling them into Undermountain. Other portals dumped monsters into the laps of those unsuspecting people. It was a very rough day in Waterdeep, in particular.
Halaster was eventually rescued by a group of adventurers. He returned to his Underhalls and things returned to normal, more or less. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 13 Oct 2005 : 19:11:28
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| Has Halaster tried to get revenge? He doesn`t seem as the type to simply forget something like this........... |
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Kes_Alanadel
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 13 Oct 2005 : 20:57:22
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| Thanks for the info everyone :). The Stardock module is a free download at Wizards if I remember correctly?*thinks* Does it also tell about Halaster's kidnapping, or is that in a different source? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Oct 2005 : 21:02:12
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Originally posted by Kes_Alanadel
Thanks for the info everyone :). The Stardock module is a free download at Wizards if I remember correctly?*thinks* Does it also tell about Halaster's kidnapping, or is that in a different source?
I think it's on the list.
And it does. :) |
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Kes_Alanadel
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 13 Oct 2005 : 21:06:31
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| Thanks again :). And I was wondering the same thing Khorne is....Will Halaster take revenge, or in his maddness, did he forget about it? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Oct 2005 : 21:26:38
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Originally posted by Kes_Alanadel
Thanks again :). And I was wondering the same thing Khorne is....Will Halaster take revenge, or in his maddness, did he forget about it?
Not sure. There's never been a follow up on what he did after that... :) And since he's not as insane as he was, I figure he'd probably do something to get revenge.....
We need to get Steven in here and let him speculate! |
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Kes_Alanadel
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 13 Oct 2005 : 21:30:35
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Originally posted by Kuje
Not sure. There's never been a follow up on what he did after that... :) And since he's not as insane as he was, I figure he'd probably do something to get revenge.....
We need to get Steven in here and let him speculate!
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 13 Oct 2005 : 22:48:28
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| I would say that Halaster would want revenge... But keep in mind that he's already seen centuries. So he knows how to play the long-term games... |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 14 Oct 2005 : 01:08:06
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It's not a question of "if", it's a question of "when". If Priamon could sleep, he'd be having a lot of sleepless nights, I reckon.
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Oct 2005 : 12:56:44
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Originally posted by George Krashos
It's not a question of "if", it's a question of "when". If Priamon could sleep, he'd be having a lot of sleepless nights, I reckon.
-- George Krashos
I don`t know much about the twisted rune. Is Priamon the lich who organized the kidnapping? |
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Oct 2005 : 13:21:19
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Well, when I first read about this I start to think, too:
- The Twisted Rune give a kick in Halaster;
- The Twisted Rune give a kick in Khelben, too;
- Khelben and Halaster are agents of Mystra;
- Ooh! What a coincidence! Khelben and Halaster live in the same city!! 
So, I think that, in a long term, in an unexpected way, the Twisted Rune will be a little... twisted??? 
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Kes_Alanadel
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 14 Oct 2005 : 15:11:38
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Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin
Well, when I first read about this I start to think, too:
- The Twisted Rune give a kick in Halaster;
- The Twisted Rune give a kick in Khelben, too;
- Khelben and Halaster are agents of Mystra;
- Ooh! What a coincidence! Khelben and Halaster live in the same city!!
So, I think that, in a long term, in an unexpected way, the Twisted Rune will be a little... twisted???
I didn't know that Halaster is an agent of Mystra..(realizes her noobishness is showing ), or that the Twisted Rune had gone after the Blackstaff as well.*sigh* Where can I find some more info on the Twisted Rune? If I remember correctly, they have a little blurb in the FRCS?
*Wishes she could find a store nearby that has all the old 2e stuff in stock.*
EDIT: I'm not worried if this scroll gets sidetracked...I would prefer to have it evolve naturally as questions are asked and answered, that's how I will start to get up to date! |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 14 Oct 2005 : 16:05:17
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Originally posted by khorne
I don`t know much about the twisted rune.
See the 3e Lords of Darkness tome. Steven's Empires of the Shining Sea supplement also contains a rather intriguing detailing of the Twisted Rune and their operations in that region of the Realms.
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Is Priamon the lich who organized the kidnapping?
Essentially, yes.
Priamon used all the wishes from a special ring he had been jealously guarding. These multiple wishes were designed to locate Halaster's physical form while hampering the magical barriers around his Undermountain lair. Priamon's intention was to break open a portal from Stardock to Undermountain, and kidnap Halaster.
The Stardock adventure has more on this.
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 14 Oct 2005 : 16:17:21
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by khorne
I don`t know much about the twisted rune.
See the 3e Lords of Darkness tome. Steven's Empires of the Shining Sea supplement also contains a rather intriguing detailing of the Twisted Rune and their operations in that region of the Realms.
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Is Priamon the lich who organized the kidnapping?
Essentially, yes.
Priamon used all the wishes from a special ring he had been jealously guarding. These multiple wishes were designed to locate Halaster's physical form while hampering the magical barriers around his Undermountain lair. Priamon's intention was to break open a portal from Stardock to Undermountain, and kidnap Halaster.
The Stardock adventure has more on this.
Priamon had better watch his back then. But I still don`t understand why Halaster hasn`t taken revenge already. It`s been almost five years. |
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Oct 2005 : 17:12:56
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I didn't know that Halaster is an agent of Mystra.
This happened in the excelent novel Elminster in Hell. Ed explain here in the Candlekeep that, in the events of the novel, Mystra heal great part of Halaster´s insanity, and made him one of her free agents, freeing the old mage of the influence of Shar. Ed and Steven Schend threads have more info about that matter.
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...or that the Twisted Rune had gone after the Blackstaff as well...
IIRC, the members of the Rune killed someone of the family of Khelben, but now I don´t remember exactly who was... Zelphar Arunsun, maybe??? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 14 Oct 2005 : 17:40:25
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Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin
IIRC, the members of the Rune killed someone of the family of Khelben, but now I don´t remember exactly who was... Zelphar Arunsun, maybe???
Yup. The question was asked of Sage Schend:
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BTW, even after all these years, the killer of Zelphar Arunsun has never been revealed. Does anyone have any guesses on who it could be?
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LANDS OF INTRIGUE, Book 3, page 21. Yup, the Twisted Rune did it as a favor for the Shadow Thieves (vengeance against Lhestyn more than anything vs. Khelben the Elder's youngest boy-child).
Alas, I didn't name the mage in question (though the illo beneath that paragraph gives an idea of the murder method/spell)....but now I've got to check out these other possible links, as I didn't know of them (and thought every last fact in LOI was triple-checked by Eric, George, Grant, and a cast of dozens....
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 14 Oct 2005 : 17:43:09
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Originally posted by khorne
Priamon had better watch his back then. But I still don`t understand why Halaster hasn`t taken revenge already. It`s been almost five years.
Halaster's got all the time in the world... He's already been around for centuries. To him, five years is what a few days would be to us. He can afford to play the long-term game...
Besides, we don't know that he hasn't already gotten his revenge. It could be something that's not seen print yet. Or it could be something that's already in motion, but is going to take more time to come to full fruitition. |
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Kes_Alanadel
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 15 Oct 2005 : 04:39:50
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Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin
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I didn't know that Halaster is an agent of Mystra.
This happened in the excelent novel Elminster in Hell. Ed explain here in the Candlekeep that, in the events of the novel, Mystra heal great part of Halaster´s insanity, and made him one of her free agents, freeing the old mage of the influence of Shar. Ed and Steven Schend threads have more info about that matter.
Bearing in mind that I haven't read any of the novels....If Halaster is an agent of Mystra, is he also a Chosen? If not, what is the difference?
*Goes searching through Ed and Steven's threads*
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Kuje
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Posted - 15 Oct 2005 : 05:10:12
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Originally posted by Kes_Alanadel
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Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin
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I didn't know that Halaster is an agent of Mystra.
This happened in the excelent novel Elminster in Hell. Ed explain here in the Candlekeep that, in the events of the novel, Mystra heal great part of Halaster´s insanity, and made him one of her free agents, freeing the old mage of the influence of Shar. Ed and Steven Schend threads have more info about that matter.
Bearing in mind that I haven't read any of the novels....If Halaster is an agent of Mystra, is he also a Chosen? If not, what is the difference?
*Goes searching through Ed and Steven's threads*
No he is not a Chosen, and Ed has said this a few times. Right now he is just an agent of Mystra that she can call on when she needs something done. |
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Steven Schend
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Posted - 15 Oct 2005 : 08:55:58
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Will Halaster take revenge? Hmmm.......
Anyone who's read Cormanthyr & Fall of Myth Drannor knows that it's more than a likely certainty that he will.
It's only the how and why and when that remain in question.
Steven
Who knows that even Khelben shudders visibly at the thought of Halaster's revenge on the Frostrune..... |
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warlockco
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Posted - 15 Oct 2005 : 09:40:46
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Originally posted by Kuje
No he is not a Chosen, and Ed has said this a few times. Right now he is just an agent of Mystra that she can call on when she needs something done.
Yep, in fact if I recall correctly he was touched by Shar, and therefore Mystra cannot make him a Chosen, but doesn't mean she can't go into a different agreement |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 15 Oct 2005 : 14:05:27
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
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Who knows that even Khelben shudders visibly at the thought of Halaster's revenge on the Frostrune.....
Why should Khelben shudder at the thought of Halaster bombing his kidnappers out of existence? |
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Kajehase
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Posted - 15 Oct 2005 : 17:04:56
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| Because an angry Halaster likely means large tracts of lands turning into smoking craters? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 15 Oct 2005 : 18:10:39
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quote:
Originally posted by khorne
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
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Who knows that even Khelben shudders visibly at the thought of Halaster's revenge on the Frostrune.....
Why should Khelben shudder at the thought of Halaster bombing his kidnappers out of existence?
Look at how creative Halaster is with creating traps in Undermountain... Imagine him turning his evil creativity into making someone suffer. And keep in mind that an undead can suffer more than a living person... |
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Steven Schend
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Posted - 15 Oct 2005 : 18:13:34
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That, and the Mad Mage does have the sickest sense of humor that comes into play when he's toying with people.
After all, Halaster's simplest revenge could be to tap into Priamon's teleport network and fill every chamber connected to it with maggots and offal...but that'd just be the warning that he's found him by the similarities of magic to the teleport networks in Undermountain.
Get the picture? It's less the revenge on his foes Khelben fears as the fallout from each evil archmage one-upping the other in "sending messages" to each other.
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khorne
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Posted - 15 Oct 2005 : 21:07:49
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quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend
That, and the Mad Mage does have the sickest sense of humor that comes into play when he's toying with people.
After all, Halaster's simplest revenge could be to tap into Priamon's teleport network and fill every chamber connected to it with maggots and offal...but that'd just be the warning that he's found him by the similarities of magic to the teleport networks in Undermountain.
Get the picture? It's less the revenge on his foes Khelben fears as the fallout from each evil archmage one-upping the other in "sending messages" to each other.
Steven
I see........Please inform me when Halaster decides to take action. When that happens I`ll take a nice long vacation in Sigil. And I`d better sell all my holdings in waterdeep or any other place less than fifty miles from undermountain....... |
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Kes_Alanadel
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 16 Oct 2005 : 01:13:56
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Could anyone tell me which year to look in and maybe an approximate page number in Ed's replies? For Steven's as well???
*looks at the immense stack of scrolls* |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Oct 2005 : 01:20:26
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Originally posted by Kes_Alanadel
Could anyone tell me which year to look in and maybe an approximate page number in Ed's replies? For Steven's as well???
*looks at the immense stack of scrolls*
Your better off to go to my So Saithe Ed files here on Candlekeep. I also included a table of contents for both 2004 and 2005. :)
March, 8, 2004:
Halaster has been around for a LONG time, and for almost all of that time he’s been an enigma. Steven Schend and I pretty well agreed that he was only insane as long as he was in Undermountain, and it seems that ‘the new’ Mystra has freed him from the worst magical effects of its thrall, returning him to sanity. She did NOT make him a Chosen, but instead made a ‘separate peace’ with him, giving him the status of a free-willed agent (from time to time she’ll ask him to do something for her, with new spells or augmented powers as his reward or price, but she will do absolutely nothing to coerce him into service, nor look upon him unfavorably if he refuses). |
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