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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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 Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 06:14:45
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or at least what Im going to write on my Census form!
At the moment we have the following contenders
Banite (Hey my signiture villian characters a Cleric of Bane  )
Jedi
Sith Orthodox
Disciple of Greenwood
If Sage and George get in on this we can start a cult
The Polls are now open!
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Emperor Sigismund
"Its good to be the King!"
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Edited by - Dargoth on 06 Aug 2006 06:17:55
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 06:22:41
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This is a strange one, but OK.
Jedi would be my first choice. Greenwoodianism is a learning and philosophy, not a religion. You could of course be Jedi with influences from orthodox Greenwoodianism. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 06:28:16
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"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 06:38:11
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Originally posted by Dargoth
or at least what Im going to write on my Census form!
Oh, thanks for reminding me. 
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Banite (Hey my signiture villian characters a Cleric of Bane )
I could try Labelas Eneroth. 
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Jedi
Sith Orthodox
I'm sure one of my custom titles on another message boards reads "Devotee of the Sith." That could work. 
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Disciple of Greenwood
Works for me. 
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 07:28:07
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Planescape Fanatic
"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
688 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 12:11:08
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Jedi all the way.  Obi Wan fan with the license plate to prove it.
Ed probably gets a kick out of the the Disciple reference. |
Illum
The Wandering Mage |
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
762 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 12:24:06
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Since the Doug Anthony All-Stars gave me an introduction to Ozzie culture I'd suggest you say your religion was:
DAASian |
Death is Life
Love is Hate
Revenge is Forgiveness
Ken: You from the States?
Jimmy: Yeah. But don't hold it against me.
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Aes Tryl
Learned Scribe
181 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 12:32:31
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| Haha, i'd have to say Jedi, darn i wonder when an epic like Star Wars will come along again, or maybe it has :P, i'm kinda out of touch right now |
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
895 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 13:31:59
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Sith Orthodox.
If you want to be reaaal esoteric, put down "Follower of Ragnos." |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2006 : 22:45:14
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
Jedi... would be major FUN to see it become an accepted religion.
Won't ever happen. Consider this neutral, rational (and somewhat cold-hearted--I like it!) take on the matter...
http://www.snopes.com/religion/jedi.htm
This statement gets to the heart of the matter, I think:
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Marking "Jedi" on a form doesn't make anyone a Jedi any more than writing "I can fly" will turn that person into a bird. Religious belief is a matter of what's in your heart, not what you jestingly inscribe on an official-looking piece of paper.
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"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 00:42:22
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Originally posted by Winterfox
Sith Orthodox.
If you want to be reaaal esoteric, put down "Follower of Ragnos."
I like that one . . . |
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Nokom
Learned Scribe
USA
109 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 00:45:16
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 00:47:37
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Originally posted by Nokom
This is crazy.... Why not use a REAL religon. Tell the truth maybe?
'Cause people want to rebel against being made to feel like a number (see my above link). |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 01:09:07
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Originally posted by Nokom
This is crazy.... Why not use a REAL religon. Tell the truth maybe?
Here is a funny question...what IS a REAL religion?
People used to pray to Osiris etc. would that be a real religion?
If I worshiped say the Norse gods, would that be an un-REAL religion? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 01:16:59
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
People used to pray to Osiris etc. would that be a real religion?
If I worshiped say the Norse gods, would that be an un-REAL religion?
Cough,
You don't talk to many pagans and or Wiccans and or the groups that have reconstructed the old faiths, do you.
People still pray to both the egyptian and norse deities, as well as the greek, roman, celtic, native american, etc. BTW, the USA government, and other governments, do consider paganism a real religion. It's even on the books and there are pagan churches/covens/groups in the USA, Canada, overseas, and elsewhere.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 01:32:09
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
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Originally posted by Winterfox
Sith Orthodox.
If you want to be reaaal esoteric, put down "Follower of Ragnos."
I like that one . . .
Assuming there are still enough around to make something of the *religion* itself. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 02:09:21
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Originally posted by Nokom
This is crazy.... Why not use a REAL religon. Tell the truth maybe?
As an Atheist this made me laugh
Seeing as how no religion has ever manage to prove the existence of a God/goddess/gods/big pink bunny etc relgions by there very nature arent "real" |
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Emperor Sigismund
"Its good to be the King!"
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 02:12:49
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Originally posted by Dargoth
As an Atheist this made me laugh
No reason why you couldn't put down "atheist", though. Putting down "Jedi" or whatever is funny, but it's not one step towards making it a real religion or anything (and let's be honest, it's a way of flipping the bird at the system).
Putting down a fake religion will just get you put into the "Other" category. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 07 Aug 2006 02:13:39 |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 02:13:31
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Religion by definition cannot be proven; to prove something religious makes it no longer religious or supernatural, but instead simply a part of nature. If you still accept that as a religion, than meteorology or physics could be considered a religion.
*Also atheist, btw.* |
Planescape Fanatic
"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 02:28:10
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Dargoth
As an Atheist this made me laugh
No reason why you couldn't put down "atheist", though. Putting down "Jedi" or whatever is funny, but it's not one step towards making it a real religion or anything (and let's be honest, it's a way of flipping the bird at the system).
Putting down a fake religion will just get you put into the "Other" category.
True theres no reason why I cant put Atheist other than the fact its not as amusing as putting one of the above |
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Emperor Sigismund
"Its good to be the King!"
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 02:34:59
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Originally posted by Dargoth
True theres no reason why I cant put Atheist other than the fact its not as amusing as putting one of the above
I agree, but in this case joking around *can* have consequences (again, see my link).
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At least in Australia, those who decide to take part in the leg pull are risking a $1,000 fine.
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"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 02:36:54
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I considered filling in my actual religion -- which is most simply described as 'pantheist' -- on a recent census form, but decided it was none of the government's business.
(I'm also a minister in the Universal Life Church and a Discordian pope.)
A real religion is one with either social or spiritual reality.
Dan, what you're describing is faith, which is not religion but a substitute for religion preached in its absence. Metereology and physics used to be practised religiously and still can usefully be; see alchemy, David Bohm's work, Erik Davis's Techgnosis, etc. etc. |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 02:51:19
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Dan, what you're describing is faith, which is not religion but a substitute for religion preached in its absence. Metereology and physics used to be practised religiously and still can usefully be; see alchemy, David Bohm's work, Erik Davis's Techgnosis, etc. etc.
I do not believe that religion can exist without faith. Spirituality can, though.
To me, religion without faith is merely philosophy. (And I do consider myself an Epicureanist.) |
Planescape Fanatic
"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 03:04:41
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Hmmm...would that kind of faith also include faith in your favorite soccer team winning the national championship? If so you got a whole bunch of religions in addition to the already existinig ones.
The difference between Jedi and any "traditional" religion is that we KNOW Jedi is fiction, yet I could see, as weird as this may sound, in a couple hundred years from now people thinking of Jedi as a religion... Jehovas Witnesses can revise their world-ending-day every few weeks... why not make Jedi a religion as well *shrug* not that it really matters |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 03:08:55
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Hmmm...would that kind of faith also include faith in your favorite soccer team winning the national championship? If so you got a whole bunch of religions in addition to the already existinig ones.
I said that one had to have faith to have a religion... But not ONLY faith. ;) Additional ritual accoutrements or mass-teachings I think are what distinguish religion from mere spiritualism.
And I'm not sure if anyone can have 'faith' in a soccer team - though if they think they know some greater truth that cannot be prognosticated via any empyrical means (they KNOW that the soccer team will win - not just THINK) - then there might be something spiritual about it. |
Planescape Fanatic
"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 03:10:42
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Dargoth
As an Atheist this made me laugh
No reason why you couldn't put down "atheist", though. Putting down "Jedi" or whatever is funny, but it's not one step towards making it a real religion or anything (and let's be honest, it's a way of flipping the bird at the system).
Putting down a fake religion will just get you put into the "Other" category.
True theres no reason why I cant put Atheist other than the fact its not as amusing as putting one of the above
I'm not entirely sure you can.
I remember this coming up at the last census. I'll check the census website to be certain though...
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 03:11:51
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I agree, but in this case joking around *can* have consequences (again, see my link).
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At least in Australia, those who decide to take part in the leg pull are risking a $1,000 fine.
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Actually the Religion question is probably the only one I can safely screw around with after all if I write "Banite" how are they going to know that I dont believe in it? They could prove that I lied about my income by cross referencing with the Australian Tax Office but how are they going to prove that Im not a "Banite"
Census Collection person: Sir we dont believe what youve written on your census form is accurate you need to prove that your follower of this "Church of Bane" or face a 1000 dollar fine
Me: Fair enough, you just lie down on this table and Ill go and get the sacrificial dagger.....
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Emperor Sigismund
"Its good to be the King!"
Mel Brooks |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 03:12:11
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Originally posted by GothicDan
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Hmmm...would that kind of faith also include faith in your favorite soccer team winning the national championship? If so you got a whole bunch of religions in addition to the already existinig ones.
I said that one had to have faith to have a religion... But not ONLY faith. ;) Additional ritual accoutrements or mass-teachings I think are what distinguish religion from mere spiritualism.
And I'm not sure if anyone can have 'faith' in a soccer team - though if they think they know some greater truth that cannot be prognosticated via any empyrical means (they KNOW that the soccer team will win - not just THINK) - then there might be something spiritual about it.
Oh...but they do have rituals...and chants and whatnot |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 03:13:22
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Originally posted by Mace Hammerhand
Hmmm...would that kind of faith also include faith in your favorite soccer team winning the national championship? If so you got a whole bunch of religions in addition to the already existinig ones.
I just go by the standard, dictionary definition of religion:
re·li·gion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-ljn)
n.
Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
So faith and religion aren't necessarily the same thing, even if religion involves faith. :)
For the record, I consider myself a deist, though deism is not a religion but a philosophy.
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"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Help an Australian choose a religion by Tuesday
