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Genis
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 Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 06:00:59
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 06:16:21
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lol try koontz someday....hes not fantasy but its sci fi and hes pretty good....i DARE you to try one of his books....if u decide to i suggest "The Taken"
He's got some good stuff, he just needs to stop using the same templates for his characters... Just about every book by him that I've ready (maybe 20 or so) has the same character templates:
The male lead is involved with law enforcement or the military, and has lost someone close -- often a wife;
The female lead is quite attractive; she's usually also unusually perky;
The kid, often a female, that's smarted and more mature than a kid that age should be;
The psychopath that seems normal when first seen;
And the pseudo-scientific explanation for what seemed paranormal.
Me, I'd recommend Fear Nothing and Seize the Night, since they're both good and step away from his usual templates.
Anyway... That has little to do with the Realms, or with a Realms movie. |
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Wandering_mage
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 15:19:54
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As to a FR movie though, I'm not worried. Ed will make sure if a movie does come out it will be good.
In Ed Greenwood we trust.  Seriously. |
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FridayThe13th
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 16:14:26
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Issac Aasmiov writes pretty good Sci-Fi, I read the first book of his Foundation Trilogy and loved it. And if you like Sci-Fis with a lot of fighting and bloodshed in them, pick up the Warhammer 40k books.
As for a good FR movie, I know a lot of people here aren't very enthusiastic about a Salvatore movie, but if they do a FR movie I bet they will do a Drizzit one because of Marketing reasons. They assume that most people are more attracted to Drizzit than Elminster, and in most cases they are right.
Eragon already has a movie because although FR has been around for waaaayyyy longer, Eragon has springboarded into pop-culture so fast that now virtually everyone knows about it. I for one am looking forward to the Eragon movie, the books were fantastic.
Oh, and if you want a FR movie that bad, you could always petition for one. |
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Zorro
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 16:15:10
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As to a FR movie though, I'm not worried. Ed will make sure if a movie does come out it will be good.
In Ed Greenwood we trust. Seriously.
Yeah. Right
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 16:26:40
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| From what I know of Eragon, I'm not very impressed. |
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Winterfox
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 16:45:01
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and you didnt think eragon was good?
I personally found it one of the crappiest, shallowest cliche galores that's been unleashed on the fantasy genre ever. Not worth the paper it's printed on; the souls of murdered trees cry out for justice because their remains have been used to further an overhyped, over-marketed piece of tripe.
I've yet to find any reasonably well-read people who consider Eragon good. In general, it seems that people remotely familiar with the genre -- and familiar with reading, for that matter -- tend not to be overly impressed by the piling up of hackneyed devices upon another. Funny that.
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...thats too bad...i mean i admit it wasnt R.A. Salvatore but i though it was ok...
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FridayThe13th
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 17:18:46
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Originally posted by Genis
and you didnt think eragon was good?
I personally found it one of the crappiest, shallowest cliche galores that's been unleashed on the fantasy genre ever. Not worth the paper it's printed on; the souls of murdered trees cry out for justice because their remains have been used to further an overhyped, over-marketed piece of tripe.
I've yet to find any reasonably well-read people who consider Eragon good. In general, it seems that people remotely familiar with the genre -- and familiar with reading, for that matter -- tend not to be overly impressed by the piling up of hackneyed devices upon another. Funny that.
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...thats too bad...i mean i admit it wasnt R.A. Salvatore but i though it was ok...
*winces* That's like holding up Danielle Steel as the paragon of literature.
Well, the overhyped, childish -style of writing was intentional because Eragon was supposed to appeal to a younger audience or an audience that didn't know too much about fantasy.
If you threw an extremely complicated piece of fantasy in front of an avarage Joe who has never even read anything like it, do you think he will understand? No, he will complain that it is too complicated and say that fantasy stinks. Eragon however, was intended to be written for a mass-audience and to serve as an INTRODUCTION to fantasy, like Harry Potter.
Yes Eragon is not the most complex and well-written piece of work and I have read better fantasies in my lifetime. But it is a good way to advertise fantasy through pop-culture and show people how the genre works. Once people really get into books like Eragon and truly begin to understand fantasy, then they can begin to move on to more complex and interesting books such as FR.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 17:19:01
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Originally posted by FridayThe13th
As for a good FR movie, I know a lot of people here aren't very enthusiastic about a Salvatore movie, but if they do a FR movie I bet they will do a Drizzit one because of Marketing reasons. They assume that most people are more attracted to Drizzit than Elminster, and in most cases they are right.
I still maintain that the racism angle will keep a Drizzt movie from ever reaching the big screen. Not that there's anything racist about the Realms, but the perception of the movie-going public, upon being told that Drizzt is special because he doesn't follow the ways of his black-skinned evil race, is going to be negative. And if you don't play up the self-exiled element, then Drizzt is just another sword-swinger.
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Wandering_mage
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 17:24:27
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Good point Wooly. I always felt awkward about explaing drow to people who might not be open minded and might think of a real world comparison rather than a fantasy world understanding.  |
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Genis
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 17:24:46
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| yeah to the dean koontz fan i agree it is kinda all the same but hes good non-the-less....and wow i didnt know that many people thought poorly of Salvatore....my bad....lol personally i still think hes pretty good but anyways....yeah i agree about the Eragon thing its not great but i mean it didnt kill me to read it...but yeah ive read better...and as for the movie yeah i think they will eventually make a FR movie but if they do it wont be soon enough...im just impatient....and oooo im sure Greenwood would make sure its a good movie but i can still worry... |
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Jorkens
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 17:25:07
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Well, I think much of the chances for a realms picture will depend on the success of the Dragonlance animated movie. If its a hit they may try something like it with Salvatore books. As much as I look forward to the Dragonlance movie, I actually hope this will never happen, as it will reinforce the impression that the Drizzt books are what the Realms are about.
The chances for a Realms movie outside of Salvatore are very slim in my opinion, and in many ways I am glad. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 17:25:47
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Originally posted by FridayThe13th
If you threw an extremely complicated piece of fantasy in front of an avarage Joe who has never even read anything like it, do you think he will understand? No, he will complain that it is too complicated and say that fantasy stinks.
It depends on the reader, really. The first fantasy novel I read, when I was 14, was Magician: Master (the original hardcover, Magician, was split into two books when published as a paperback). It's a well-written novel that has more complications that most fantasy novels. And it was the middle of the story -- it took me a while to find Magician: Apprentice, as my funds were limited, then. But I still loved it. It remains one of my personal faves, and Feist is my fave fantasy author. |
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Genis
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 17:28:07
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| i never even thought of comparing the drow of the realms to real life in the racism kinda way....i guess you have a point but i dont know if the public in general would view it any more negative then they did any of those rapper movies like....hustle and flow...or get rich or die trying...or four brothers...or any movies like that....i still think a drizzt movie would go over well with the public...but hey...i could be wrong...its happened before |
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Wandering_mage
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 17:28:38
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| Wooly, is that the book with Pug and Tomas? |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 17:29:20
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and wow i didnt know that many people thought poorly of Salvatore....
It's not as much that people think poorly of Salvatore as it is that many of us are simply bored with Drizzt. Though other people have other complaints, the one I hear most often is about the fact that we keep getting more and more Drizzt books. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 17:30:39
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Wooly, is that the book with Pug and Tomas?
Yup. The first of many.  |
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Genis
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 17:31:45
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| my first fantasy novel i read when i was 13 it was "Darkness and light" one of the many dragonlance novels and thats what got me started....well that and the original dragons of autumn twilight and etc books...then i upgraded to FR and now im reading heavily in both these series...but anyways Eragon did seem a lil out of the ordinary when it comes to fantasy books i mean i noticed a few things that werent...usually common in the fantasy world and it did seem slightly...juvenille but i still didnt think it was THAT bad |
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Wandering_mage
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 17:32:36
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| I loved that book. The adventure was nonstop. Plus those bad woodsman or whatever they were called always made me think of Drow in a way. Weird hunh? |
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Winterfox
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 17:33:58
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Well, the overhyped, childish -style of writing was intentional because Eragon was supposed to appeal to a younger audience or an audience that didn't know too much about fantasy.
It's not just the writing style. It's the fact that Paolini ripped off a number of other, better fantasy and squashed it all together in one big, nauseating cliche fest. And strangely enough, even children's literature can be imaginative and refreshing; the "Young Adult" or "children's fiction" label neither necessitates nor excuses tripe. Ever read Pratchett's children's books? Roald Dahl? Michael Ende? Hell, CS Lewis? Compared to those, Eragon is dirt.
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If you threw an extremely complicated piece of fantasy in front of an avarage Joe who has never even read anything like it, do you think he will understand? No, he will complain that it is too complicated and say that fantasy stinks.
Well, by golly, isn't that overblown. Most fantasy writers make no pretense of writing great literature unless their name is Terry Goodkind; you're making fantasy into rocket science, which it hardly is. "An average Joe"? What is an average Joe? Provided he is literate, he'll manage, I'm sure.
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Eragon however, was intended to be written for a mass-audience and to serve as an INTRODUCTION to fantasy, like Harry Potter.
Harry Potter is actually somewhat decent.
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But it is a good way to advertise fantasy through pop-culture and show people how the genre works.
Sweet mother of god, no. If Eragon was my introduction to fantasy, I'd have given up in disgust.
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Once people really get into books like Eragon and truly begin to understand fantasy, then they can begin to move on to more complex and interesting books such as FR.
Uhm, FR itself is PG-13 and meant to appeal to a younger audience as well as an older one. Your point...? |
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Genis
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 17:35:00
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| yeah i agree with the drizzt is getting kinda boring but still....the books with drizzt would make pretty cool movies either way...and you ALMOST cant argue with that...lol |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 17:35:36
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i never even thought of comparing the drow of the realms to real life in the racism kinda way....i guess you have a point but i dont know if the public in general would view it any more negative then they did any of those rapper movies like....hustle and flow...or get rich or die trying...or four brothers...or any movies like that....i still think a drizzt movie would go over well with the public...but hey...i could be wrong...its happened before
The difference is that those movies focus on a subculture that is dominated by a particular ethnicity. However, they don't state that there is anything overly negative about the subculture and/or the ethnicity.
To properly represent Drizzt, however, we have to show that he comes from a race that is so evil they will happily murder their own family members to get ahead. As soon as some people see that the race in question is dark-skinned, they'll assume a statement is being made about real-world groups, and they'll be up in arms about it.
I'm not saying all movie-goers would react that way, but enough would that the movie would be doomed. It doesn't take a large number of naysayers to kill a movie. Wizards would lose money just on the movie, and then the lawsuits would start coming in... |
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Wandering_mage
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 17:35:39
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| Genis, don't worry. Like what you want to. Be your own man. If you let other peoples opinions always sway you you'll never stand out. I love Drizzt books and Harry Potter. I get picked on at work but I'm still the coolest dude there because I have a spine whereas my coworkers bend to anybody elses opinions. (Never forget to listen to other people though.) |
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Genis
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 17:37:13
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| yeah but on the other hand if eragon was the first fantasy book you read you wouldnt know any better and wouldnt realize how bad it sucked? lol |
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Wandering_mage
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 17:38:25
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| Yay, I'm a senoir scribe. Its about time. |
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Jorkens
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 17:38:35
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| It could maybe make an entertaining movie, but I don't think it would serve the realms as I see them very well. Mind that that is purely subjective. The drow were once hidden unknown dangers and seen as wholly evil. Now good drow are almost the signature characters of the realms and are popping up all over the place. |
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Genis
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 17:39:30
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| YAY wandering mage....a brother!...yeah i admit to owning the entire collection of harry potter and i still think Salvatore is a genius...lol |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 17:39:34
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yeah but on the other hand if eragon was the first fantasy book you read you wouldnt know any better and wouldnt realize how bad it sucked? lol
Until you read more... I loved Sword of Shannara until I read The Lord of the Rings and realized Terry Brooks had basically repackaged Tolkien's tale. |
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Winterfox
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 17:40:00
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yeah but on the other hand if eragon was the first fantasy book you read you wouldnt know any better and wouldnt realize how bad it sucked? lol
Because I've read other things before, I'd have recognized the rather godawful writing. Paolini's prose is nothing to write home about.
Still, if it were, oh, the first work of fiction you've ever read (though how that might be possible is beyond me), then I'm sure it's different. |
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Genis
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 17:42:40
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| yeah i was just saying...but still i dont think its a completly aweful book...i mean it keep me slightly amused on a somewhat long car ride one day....tho i think how the magic in that book has no boundries and how even the weakest elves are stronger them humans...i mean elves rock but there supposed to be smart....quick...and nimble...not strong...and i think theres a dwarf in the second eragon book that has a bow....now thats the ONLY time ive ever heard of a dwraf with a bow... |
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