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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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 Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 17:44:21
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Originaly posted by Wooly Rupert
Until you read more... I loved Sword of Shannara until I read The Lord of the Rings and realized Terry Brooks had basically repackaged Tolkien's tale.
It was even more scary for me, reading Brooks after Lord of the Rings and finding myself enjoying the books more than Tolkien despite the rip offs and the mediocre writing. I still cant explain that one. |
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 17:44:49
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Originally posted by Genis
how even the weakest elves are stronger them humans...i mean elves rock but there supposed to be smart....quick...and nimble...not strong...
...according to whom? D&D stereotypes? |
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Genis
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 17:48:22
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| yeah most elven stereotypes in the many fantasy series dipicts elves at being really quick and smart and good with a sword but never like overly strong....strength has just never defines an elf in most of the things im used to reading |
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Wandering_mage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 17:51:13
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Any one else think that there is a difference between good stories and good writing?
Example:
Da Vinci Code = Good story, bad writing
All the Saints Slept = Bad story, good writing
A Game of Thrones = Good story, good writing
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Genis
Learned Scribe
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 17:54:40
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| ive only touched on Da Vinci Code a lil and havnt even come close to reading the whole thing...so i cant say on that....never read all the saints slept....and i have the game of thrones and my cousin says its good but i havnt gotten around to reading it yet...but yeah i totally get the good story bad writing thing... |
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Zorro
Seeker
Germany
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 18:00:44
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Originally posted by FridayThe13th
Well, the overhyped, childish -style of writing was intentional because Eragon was supposed to appeal to a younger audience or an audience that didn't know too much about fantasy.
Can you say the same about Harry Potter? You see, that would be a fine example for fantasy literature children can grasp, but only adults can truly understand and appreciate in its entirety.
As far as an "intentionally childish style of writing" is concerned, my guess would be that it's due to Paolini's age (15 IIRC) when he wrote his tripe. (Mind you, I wrote horrible tripe too, when I was his age. I just didn't happen to get published. Thank God, by the way.)
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Originally posted by FridayThe13th
If you threw an extremely complicated piece of fantasy in front of an avarage Joe who has never even read anything like it, do you think he will understand? No, he will complain that it is too complicated and say that fantasy stinks.
Hm. How come so many kids started with the Lord of the Rings?
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 18:01:48
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Originally posted by Genis
yeah most elven stereotypes in the many fantasy series dipicts elves at being really quick and smart and good with a sword but never like overly strong....strength has just never defines an elf in most of the things im used to reading
Uh, yeah, and all stories must conform to stereotypes, of course. 
Tolkien's elves? Taller than humans. More powerful and physically stronger.
The sidhe of Irish myth? Taller, stronger, scary.
The elves of Norse myth? Taller, stronger, magically powerful, scary in a "mess with us and we turn your life into a nightmare" sort of way.
My suggestion? Please, sir, read more. |
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Genis
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 18:04:27
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| yeah about paolinis age...i thought the same thing...he was kinda young when he wrote the first one...and the second one is kinda better and im sure the third wont be bad...i understand theres probably a lot of 15 year olds who could write a better book but you gotta at least kinda give him a break....i mean its good for his age at the time...and im sure i couldnt do better...tho ive tried lol |
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 18:06:51
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The "He wrote this when he was X age!" is a cheap, cheap gimmick that's been milked and whored out for all it's worth and then some. See, I have this crazy idea that writing should be judged on its quality, not by the "written by a kid, omg omg" card.
SE Hinton wrote The Outsiders at fourteen, and it's good enough that it's taught in high school. That is a praiseworthy example; Paolini's crap isn't. |
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Genis
Learned Scribe
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 18:07:34
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| you dont have to be hatin...lol im just saying...and tolkkiens elves arent physically stronger are they?...im just saying i picture them as powerful but never in the physical way....i always pictured them as tall....skinny.....quick....smart....magically powerful...nature loving "depending on the race"...etc....and im working on reading more...thank you very much |
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Genis
Learned Scribe
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 18:08:55
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| no no no i wasnt saying we should think its good because of his age and it think it should be judged by quality instead of the person whatever gender or age they were but i was just saying! |
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Genis
Learned Scribe
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 18:11:24
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| but we're kinda getting off subject this was just to discuss what you think about a fantasy movie...if or if not they should make one....on what books...and opinions on possible upcoming movies....not to discuss the suddenly really popular but kinda shunned book by some kid |
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Zorro
Seeker
Germany
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 18:18:30
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Originally posted by Winterfox
The "He wrote this when he was X age!" is a cheap, cheap gimmick that's been milked and whored out for all it's worth and then some. See, I have this crazy idea that writing should be judged on its quality, not by the "written by a kid, omg omg" card.
Well, nobody said that a book written by a kid has to be bad. But I think it's safe to assume that 199 out of 200 kids who try to write a novel that can be enjoyed by readers of all age groups... suck. That a book written by a fifteen-year-old doesn't live up to the standards doesn't exactly come as a surprise, does it? (The surprise is that he got published, even more so when you consider that his novel doesn't excel in any regard.)
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Genis
Learned Scribe
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 18:20:52
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| thats what im saying you really cant expect alot...i mean u can but in general a book by a 15 year old wont live up to the standards of something more muture...just because...i wonder tho how he got that published?...i mean did someone just notice it one day or did he send it in or idk how that works or what he did to get it published |
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FridayThe13th
Learned Scribe
USA
132 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 18:21:21
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Originally posted by Winterfox
The "He wrote this when he was X age!" is a cheap, cheap gimmick that's been milked and whored out for all it's worth and then some. See, I have this crazy idea that writing should be judged on its quality, not by the "written by a kid, omg omg" card.
SE Hinton wrote The Outsiders at fourteen, and it's good enough that it's taught in high school. That is a praiseworthy example; Paolini's crap isn't.
Bah, I personally thought The Outsiders was Dog Tripe, but that is just my opinion. Any book that they make us read in school is usually boring.
Yes, I did read nearly all of those books you mentioned Winterfox and hated most of them. Lewis was the most biased writer I have ever read, plus he was a racist. A lion as Jesus? HAH. Dahl was okay, but not quite my style.
Don't assume that I don't know better examples of fantasy. For example, DL Chronicles were very complex books and some of the best books I have ever read, and I understood them quite well. I am also a big fan of Terry Goodkind's work and enjoy his various perspectives on religion and philosophy. I also enjoyed the Da Vinci Code a lot. Look, Eragon is not my favorite book in the world, I have certainly read much better, but it is not the piece of shit you say it to be. The writing lacks because Paolini wrote it when he was 15, but the plot is excellent and his characters are quite interesting.
Look, if you want to turn this thread into a flame war, do it somewhere else. Right now all I can say is, chill out Winterfox.
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 18:25:31
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Originally posted by FridayThe13th
For example, DL Chronicles were very complex books and some of the best books I have ever read, and I understood them quite well. I am also a big fan of Terry Goodkind's work and enjoy his various perspectives on religion and philosophy. I also enjoyed the Da Vinci Code a lot.
I think that says enough your reading tastes, and why I can't and won't take them seriously. :)
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Originally posted by Zorro
That a book written by a fifteen-year-old doesn't live up to the standards doesn't exactly come as a surprise, does it? (The surprise is that he got published, even more so when you consider that his novel doesn't excel in any regard.)
Zorro
Oh, certainly. It's one of the reasons why I think being published is hardly a measure of skill or prestige, and that the publishing industry has barely better standards than Fanfiction.net. |
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Genis
Learned Scribe
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 18:26:46
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| fridaythe13th your my hero!....but winterfox can have her own opinions if she wants...i do find her arguing rather aggressive and scary but hey...however you wanna debate a subject go ahead....but fridaythe13th gets props for that one :P |
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FridayThe13th
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 18:26:52
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Originally posted by Winterfox
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Originally posted by FridayThe13th
For example, DL Chronicles were very complex books and some of the best books I have ever read, and I understood them quite well. I am also a big fan of Terry Goodkind's work and enjoy his various perspectives on religion and philosophy. I also enjoyed the Da Vinci Code a lot.
I think that says enough your reading tastes, and why I can't and won't take them seriously. :)
And you would rather read Lewis, the biased fundamental racist who thought Jesus was a lion and arabs were homosexual barbarians?
Oh, and thanks Genis. Winterfox has a right to freedom of speech based on the first amendment, but I think she is getting a little too flamy. |
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"You guys should seriously rename yourselves The Horny Society, you popularity would soar."
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 18:27:28
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Time for everyone to take a breather perhaps?
Insulting each others reading tastes can be fun for some people, but I don't think this is the place for it. |
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Genis
Learned Scribe
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 18:29:09
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| i also enjoyed the DL chronicles tho latly they have kinda lost interest in me...after dragons of summer flame it lacks...the same adventure and mystery it had before...but still in a big fan of DL...so i agree with you in that winterfox can suck dragon eggs...o snap |
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 18:30:15
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Originally posted by FridayThe13th
...thought Jesus was a lion
Uhm, all other points aside: ever heard of "allegory"? Not everything's got to be, y'know, literal.
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Oh, and thanks Genis. Winterfox has a right to freedom of speech based on the first amendment, but I think she is getting a little too flamy.
People who bring up "freedom of speech" in Internet discussions are incredibly silly.
1) The Internet != The United States of America
2) Most online message boards = private property
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Originally posted by Genis
so i agree with you in that winterfox can suck dragon eggs...o snap
What example of intelligence and maturity! Gosh. |
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FridayThe13th
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 18:30:28
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Originally posted by Genis
i also enjoyed the DL chronicles tho latly they have kinda lost interest in me...after dragons of summer flame it lacks...the same adventure and mystery it had before...but still in a big fan of DL...so i agree with you in that winterfox can suck dragon eggs...o snap
Well, if you want to speak more on the subject, you an always join DL nexus forums to talk about it. I am quite active there. |
"The Lady of Pain? You mean Loviatar runs this place?"
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"You guys should seriously rename yourselves The Horny Society, you popularity would soar."
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Genis
Learned Scribe
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 18:30:33
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| then again jorkens has a point....god i love you people....thats why i am in this forum...because your all my kinda people.....WOOOOT lol...excuse me im excited....ANYWAYS...anyways want to discuss the original topic or not? |
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FridayThe13th
Learned Scribe
USA
132 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 18:32:11
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| Fine,I will sign a truce with Winterfox and continue on. |
"The Lady of Pain? You mean Loviatar runs this place?"
-- Torilian Prime
"You guys should seriously rename yourselves The Horny Society, you popularity would soar."
-- A miscillaneous Kender to a member of the Horned Society
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Genis
Learned Scribe
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 18:33:30
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| i just might do that fridaythe13th...yeah im still kinda new at DL because i havnt read as much as i would like but as of last week i now own like 30 of the books including most of the preludes and meetings and stuff...i havnt gotten around to reading them yet but hopefully i'll have a quite enjoyable time going threw those many many books i recieved from my o so generous cousin...and can you give me a link for that DL forums? |
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FridayThe13th
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 18:34:37
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http://www.dragonlanceforums.com/forums/
My screename is Heretic. |
"The Lady of Pain? You mean Loviatar runs this place?"
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"You guys should seriously rename yourselves The Horny Society, you popularity would soar."
-- A miscillaneous Kender to a member of the Horned Society
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Genis
Learned Scribe
USA
226 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 18:35:34
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| thanks |
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Genis
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 18:36:55
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| wait...how do i...make a member thing so i can chat? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 07 Aug 2006 : 21:43:56
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*Throws water all around for Wooly.*
I'd like to see Perdido Street Station adapted to a movie. *grin* |
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A Good Fantasy Movie is All I Ask For!
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