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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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 Posted - 28 Nov 2006 : 21:51:12
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In the last year I probably bought more 2nd edition stuff than in the past decade...why? Cuz the sourcematerial just ain't there for 3.5...admittedly, I boycotted 3e ever since I bought the PHB ONE day before official release at GenCon 2000...old dogs and new tricks and whatnot.
The system is smooth, but I added a bunch of house rules to make things feel more real and less a computer game...but I think I'll stick with 3.5 now, it is so much like my favorite game system (still favorite after 17 years!!!) the venerable WEG Star Wars that I doubt I'll change...although I have to admit that I refuse to play SW d20....nuff said |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36891 Posts |
Posted - 28 Nov 2006 : 22:40:50
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
I would almost expect a redesigned 3.5 book before seeing a 4th edition come out. New artwork, included errata, polymorph subschool clarifications, etc., but not a true new version.
Yeah, they did revamp all the books towards the end of 2E's run... I never went for those new versions, simply because I'd just bought new copies of the books just before they announced the revamped ones. |
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 28 Nov 2006 : 22:47:52
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| What exactly do people (here and elsewhere) seem to think needs changing/fixing in a possible future new edition? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 29 Nov 2006 : 00:47:53
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Well, some of us are still desparately waiting for some explanations regarding important (and very particular) changes made between 2e and 3e. I don't think I even want to get into what's likely to change between 3e and 4e...
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Kaladorm
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
1176 Posts |
Posted - 29 Nov 2006 : 01:17:36
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To increase sales of maps, dimensions of Faerun will be changed again.
Anauroch will now only take half an hours casual stroll to cross, and the heartlands will be spread out so more RSEs can fit in. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 29 Nov 2006 : 01:22:14
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Originally posted by Kaladorm
To increase sales of maps, dimensions of Faerun will be changed again.
Anauroch will now only take half an hours casual stroll to cross, and the heartlands will be spread out so more RSEs can fit in.
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 29 Nov 2006 : 02:07:18
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Kaladorm
To increase sales of maps, dimensions of Faerun will be changed again.
Anauroch will now only take half an hours casual stroll to cross, and the heartlands will be spread out so more RSEs can fit in.
The best jokes are funny because they are so close to the truth.
To true. :) |
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Zimme
Learned Scribe
Denmark
209 Posts |
Posted - 06 Dec 2006 : 12:36:06
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My longterm memory is messed up(long story ) So I ask, how long since 3.5 came out? |
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damador
Acolyte
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Posted - 06 Dec 2006 : 13:08:46
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1564 Posts |
Posted - 06 Dec 2006 : 13:44:47
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Originally posted by Zimme
My longterm memory is messed up(long story) So I ask, how long since 3.5 came out?
I can't remember this either, because we're still playing 3.0 edition. Third Edition always felt like a "complete package" (even with all its flaws and errors). I think 3.5 edition feels like a sort of "transitory phase"... existing rules were rewritten to be more complex and detailed, and new rules were/are frequently invented. There are so many inconsistent/optional books with hundreds of PrCs, rules and feats - so many that 2e Complete/Player's Option books feel coherent in comparison. So I have been waiting for the 4.0 ever since it (3.5 e) came out.
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
947 Posts |
Posted - 07 Dec 2006 : 02:11:07
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Zimme
Learned Scribe
Denmark
209 Posts |
Posted - 07 Dec 2006 : 10:52:30
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Thanks! ahh 3 years. Yeah Threshold was a good town to adventure from. a place where on could strike out against the black baron and his servants  |
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silverwizard
Seeker
Greece
76 Posts |
Posted - 09 Dec 2006 : 10:23:23
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Yeah, they did revamp all the books towards the end of 2E's run...
If I'm not mistaken, they revamped these books in 1995, and 3E came out in 2000. That's five years, almost half of 2E's lifespan.
Regarding the new edition (whenever it gets released), the only way I can see myself buying it (at least at the moment, and barring any monumental changes) is in order to be able to participate in a campaign that uses that ruleset. That's why my sole 3.5 purchase so far is, and will probably remain, the PHB. |
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Blackwill
Seeker
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Marc
Senior Scribe
662 Posts |
Posted - 16 Dec 2006 : 09:58:33
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Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Kaladorm
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
1176 Posts |
Posted - 16 Dec 2006 : 11:06:53
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| Is that article serious? It seems to me as though it's written in a rather jokey manner, and I suspect D30 is just a joke as well. I see no reason why an upgrade should suddenly change to using 30 sided dice just because it's the next edition |
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Uzzy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
618 Posts |
Posted - 16 Dec 2006 : 11:07:35
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You should read the date that 4th Edition is meant to be released. ;)
Anyway, the only things that I can think of that need fixing would be Polymorph. That needs a whole redesign. Crafting similarly. I think the Feats should be streamlined (Craft Mage Item, etc) The whole system of Prestige Classes and Substitution Levels needs another look at. Are they going to be used for more organisational things, like Harper PRC's, Zhentarim PRC's, or will we have more PRC's like Eldritch Knight? Just mechanical things really.
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Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 16 Dec 2006 : 16:56:39
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| Which is why it's dated as April 1st 2001. :) |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Blackwill
Seeker
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Posted - 18 Dec 2006 : 14:51:53
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Originally posted by Kuje
Which is why it's dated as April 1st 2001. :)
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Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 18 Dec 2006 : 16:17:58
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| I have spend hundreds upon hundreds of dollars on 3E.....if 4E comes out anytime soon and it is a huge change, I will at the most buy only the core books, and at the least only buy any FR material. |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
5696 Posts |
Posted - 18 Dec 2006 : 18:38:23
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Originally posted by Alisttair
I have spend hundreds upon hundreds of dollars on 3E.....if 4E comes out anytime soon and it is a huge change, I will at the most buy only the core books, and at the least only buy any FR material.
Well met
Aye, 'tis not the first time i've heard the latter being a plan of attack. Personally, i'm in the same frame of mind. I have enough Core 3e3.5 to last me a lifetime of gaming and won't be picking up duplicate rulebooks with the 4e stamp. When 4e is released, i'll purchase only FR material, which will suit me fine  |
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Purple Dragon Knight
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1796 Posts |
Posted - 19 Dec 2006 : 05:45:15
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Originally posted by Alaundo
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Originally posted by Alisttair
I have spend hundreds upon hundreds of dollars on 3E.....if 4E comes out anytime soon and it is a huge change, I will at the most buy only the core books, and at the least only buy any FR material.
Well met
Aye, 'tis not the first time i've heard the latter being a plan of attack. Personally, i'm in the same frame of mind. I have enough Core 3e3.5 to last me a lifetime of gaming and won't be picking up duplicate rulebooks with the 4e stamp. When 4e is released, i'll purchase only FR material, which will suit me fine
Aye, wise Alaundo... I hear ye!
Although this humble knight has had similar thoughts to thee so far, he is even starting to consider laying off 4E FR products if they are overly crunchy... ye see, 'tis old knight's teeth are starting to be sensitive to things either overly hard to chew or swallow, as well as to some of the cold dishes out there...  |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Dec 2006 : 08:31:44
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Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
Aye, wise Alaundo... I hear ye!
Although this humble knight has had similar thoughts to thee so far, he is even starting to consider laying off 4E FR products if they are overly crunchy... ye see, 'tis old knight's teeth are starting to be sensitive to things either overly hard to chew or swallow, as well as to some of the cold dishes out there...
Aye PDK, I must get some nashers myself
Hopefully, the crunch will be left out of the FR tomes. WotC have put out some wonderful crunch-light material recently so i'm hoping that my wishes have come true and D&D core tomes are for crunch and campaign-specific tomes are for fluff Still, we'll have to wait and see.
One thing is for sure...4e will save me a lot of money with not having to purchase core material anymore |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
1283 Posts |
Posted - 23 Dec 2006 : 13:43:00
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Originally posted by Alisttair
I have spend hundreds upon hundreds of dollars on 3E.....if 4E comes out anytime soon and it is a huge change, I will at the most buy only the core books, and at the least only buy any FR material.
If 4E comes out I'll be buying a new toner cartridge for my laser printer and nothing else.
Anyway, people will always talk about 4E. *shrugs* Personally I think Wizards of the Coast is too lazy and too... shall we say... whipped by Hasbro that they couldn't properly produce a 4E anyway.. I mean look at the D20 Star Wars Core product, they released it with HUGE flaws and needed 1 magazine article, 1 $30 supplement, and another Core book to fix all the issues.
In any case, I believe if there's a 4E we'll see changes like 3.5 was to 3. More pimping of miniatures and more nerfing of spells that work just fine for you, me, and 90% of the people playing the game... but get changed to shut that small loud 10% up.
Oh... and we might see the Focus feats offer +0.5 instead of +1 or +2 modifiers. |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
1283 Posts |
Posted - 24 Dec 2006 : 01:03:27
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| Aww come on Macey, say it. :) |
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So what's this about 4th Edition?
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