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Grandmaster Kane
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 Posted - 19 Jan 2007 : 23:48:01
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after a very very large ammount of wish spells and campains i have finally created the worlds most powerful (brute str wise) Drow
He is level 30 epic Barbarain/10 Frenized berserker/5 Reaping mauler
I wear no armor and my weapon of choice is a +5 thundering HUMAN BANE WARHAMMER <--- sorry caps lock turned on
THe funniest part is that im traveling with 3 level 12,15, 8 fighters
should my character be allowed? because my friends are whining
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 19 Jan 2007 : 23:51:16
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| Uh... what did you do for the DMs to get this character? (and yes! I was thinking of *THAT*, too!) |
Mace's not so gentle gamer's journal My rants were harmless compared to this, beware! |
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Grandmaster Kane
Seeker
64 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2007 : 23:54:05
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i created it from a level 1 drow barbarain thats it
all of that raw power is from exp |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2007 : 23:57:18
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| OK, we are talking a CL 35 here. That is a tad too much powergaming for me... |
Mace's not so gentle gamer's journal My rants were harmless compared to this, beware! |
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Grandmaster Kane
Seeker
64 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 00:01:52
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| Lol i could make it 45 if i could transform him into a orc and get the eye of grummush prestige class lol |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 03:35:16
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Originally posted by Grandmaster Kane
He is level 30 epic Barbarain/10 Frenized berserker/5 Reaping mauler
I wear no armor and my weapon of choice is a +5 thundering HUMAN BANE WARHAMMER <--- sorry caps lock turned on
THe funniest part is that im traveling with 3 level 12,15, 8 fighters
should my character be allowed? because my friends are whining
I have a name for characters that high in my campaign - NPCs
Not saying its wrong, but you're taking all the fun out of it for the other players. They probably spend ALL their time hanging out in the background waiting for you to get done doing your 'thang'.
I used to play with a DM that had a mandatory retirement rule at level 30 (you basically became a demi-god and handed your character sheet over to him). I spent over a year at lev 29 doing everything I could to LOSE exp. The local undead thought I was some kind of freak because I kept wanting them to touch me. 
I have to admit, avoiding godhood was great fun, but 'regular' adventures became boring at those high levels. See if the DM will let you at least start a new character at ECL 8 to match the next lowest person in the group.
Just a thought. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 04:43:12
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| sure, to each his own though my friend. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 20 Jan 2007 : 21:39:30
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Originally posted by Markustay
Not saying its wrong, but you're taking all the fun out of it for the other players. They probably spend ALL their time hanging out in the background waiting for you to get done doing your 'thang'.
I agree--that's really the reason why I'd be against it. It's hardly a surprise that the other, "weaker" players are complaining, they probably feel overshadowed.
Either they should play epic levels characters, too, or you should play a character on equal footing with them. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
921 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jan 2007 : 00:49:14
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Where is the Reaping Mauler class from?
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"Once upon a time the plural of 'wizard' was 'war'." -- The Last Continent, by Terry Pratchett |
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Kaladorm
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
1176 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jan 2007 : 02:27:22
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| Complete Warrior I believe. A 5 level PrC dedicated to grapple fighting |
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Tyr
Learned Scribe
225 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jan 2007 : 20:56:30
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Yeah, that character wouldn't be allowed in a normal game. As note only does it sideline everyone else, but the modified party level means they get next to no XP, they have nothing to do but give up and start a new game without you. Or the modified party level means they have to fight monsters that repeatedly slaughter them unless you come to their aid, end result like above.
Its kinda like asking if my Pun-Pun with 65,000-ish stats in everything would be fair game. |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
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Posted - 22 Jan 2007 : 08:36:18
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It is a long campaigns work to have build such a character or either simply... never mind! Be it as it may, to your question: should your character be allowed?
Would I allow that character - no, certainly not.
Shoul your DM allow that character? - in general, why not as long as he keeps the game in ballance check. But judging from the rest of your groups charcters, being 11th lvl characters avarage, he really should not allow your charcter to be part of that game. I wonder how the game is still fun for you, actually? Don't you just kill your opponents in short order? Is there still a challange in the game for your character? What part do the other group members have in a fight except for the role of specator?
To cut it short: it would be wise, fair and good game spirit to put your character aside and start with a new one, at lvl 8 maybe. |
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Grandmaster Kane
Seeker
64 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2007 : 12:11:53
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| After all my hard work =( i guess i could... |
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Dreamstalker
Acolyte
USA
47 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2007 : 17:50:15
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Save the character for the next their is a group of characters in their 30s.
It is fine to want to play your big character that you built up through play, however as everyone else as said there really is not a point for a 35th level characer in a group with the average level of 11. |
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1564 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2007 : 20:21:30
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Originally posted by Grandmaster Kane
After all my hard work =( i guess i could...
I am just wondering... how long did it take it you to play him from 1st level to character level 45? I have been playing my 16th level human fighter for almost as many years (13 in real time). Although we DID use "normal" 3.X edition XP awards for one campaign, and ended up with 20th level characters in a year in real time.
Also, I was wondering about those (apparently) very very many Wish-spells you mention... we have had a really strict policy with those - players need to be VERY careful with the exact wording, or the DM corrupts it into something else (i.e. "I want to become permanently stronger" wouldn't work - unless you enjoyed life as a permanently polymorphed dire bear or something like that ;)
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
762 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2007 : 20:46:46
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Originally posted by Grandmaster Kane
after a very very large ammount of wish spells and campains i have finally created the worlds most powerful (brute str wise) Drow
He is level 30 epic Barbarain/10 Frenized berserker/5 Reaping mauler
I wear no armor and my weapon of choice is a +5 thundering HUMAN BANE WARHAMMER <--- sorry caps lock turned on
I once played a level 6 drow cleric who was the Matron of the House. She defeated the following half-drow/half red dragon whose stats were STR 28, Dex 26, CON 26, INT 28, WIS 24, CHA 26. I think he was FTR 25/WPM 10. Let us call him P'wer Do Urden for the sake of a cheap laugh.
The way she defeated him was she used his own strengths against him. She asked him to train some of the troops of her Household and to set up a grand tourney, in which the soldiers and P'wer would battle for the right to become her Patron. Unable to resist showing-off P'wer unleased his firey breath on the other soldiers and roasted them. This was all very impressive but in that one foolish act P'wer showed himself for the idiot he truly was. His matron had asked him to train an elite cadre of fighters. Instead he had produced a large pile of not particularly pleasant smelling carbon. So she banished him.
Now he could have turned on her but even he knew that would lead to his death since the other matrons would destroy him. So he departed.
The problem with power is it corrupts and you can not see yourself for what you have become. You can not see that the truly great heroes overcome almost overwhelming odds.
With the great stories a hero is usually set against a more powerful enemy. Heracles, despite his strength was opposed by Hera. Thor, although strong was often beaten by giants. And a straight fight between Frodo and Sauron would have ended tragically for Mr Baggins.
My point here is you have a powerful character but he will never be a great hero. There will never be any truly memorable stories written about him.
I feel sorry for you.
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Originally posted by Grandmaster Kane
THe funniest part is that im traveling with 3 level 12,15, 8 fighters
should my character be allowed? because my friends are whining
Your friends are probably upset because you've destroyed any chance they had of enjoying a good evening's roleplay. Where is the challenge for them?
If I was your DM I think whatever entity granted these wishes for your PC should come to collect his due. Then again if I was your DM I would have had your PC killed off long ago.
The moral of my sermon is beware the sin of Karsus! |
Death is Life
Love is Hate
Revenge is Forgiveness
Ken: You from the States?
Jimmy: Yeah. But don't hold it against me.
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Grandmaster Kane
Seeker
64 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2007 : 12:03:11
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
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Originally posted by Grandmaster Kane
After all my hard work =( i guess i could...
I am just wondering... how long did it take it you to play him from 1st level to character level 45? I have been playing my 16th level human fighter for almost as many years (13 in real time). Although we DID use "normal" 3.X edition XP awards for one campaign, and ended up with 20th level characters in a year in real time.
Also, I was wondering about those (apparently) very very many Wish-spells you mention... we have had a really strict policy with those - players need to be VERY careful with the exact wording, or the DM corrupts it into something else (i.e. "I want to become permanently stronger" wouldn't work - unless you enjoyed life as a permanently polymorphed dire bear or something like that ;)
It only yook me about 5 years and i was also using normal exp the exception was that my original bande was mid 20's when i join ( i was more of a sidekick) They took me on a few preliminary campaigns (Journeis (sp?) to the surface) but then there was a big war. A city of humans vs 4 Mid 20's drow (and a level 5 barbarian sidekick) The humans hired powerful mercenaries including Arrk and by the time the 20 year war was over i was level 23 The rest was working as a gladiator in a above world collusem and working as a high paid mercenary. As far as the wish spells where concerned i used about 12 of them to increase my con and str permently (you should see my feats lol) |
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Kes_Alanadel
Learned Scribe
USA
326 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2007 : 22:06:59
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To each their own I guess. *Shrug* If you were to play in one of my games and tried to bring this character in, the answer would be no. One, I don't allow characters from other campaigns. Two, I don't allow the Frenzied Berzerker. Three, an ECL 47 character is not something I would deal with unless the entire party was that level, and had been together the entire time, adventuring together from 1st level. In games I run, Wish is an extremely rare spell, and finding someone(s) who would cast it that often is unheard of.
From a player stand point, if you brought this character to play, the DM allowed it to be played, and my character was only 12th level, I would leave the group. It was very unfair to the others in your group (your friends?) to even think about playing one that munchkined.
Just my 2 coppers,
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Ack! I seem to have too much blood in my coffee stream!
When did 'common sense' cease to be common? |
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Weiser_Cain
Seeker
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Posted - 24 Jan 2007 : 10:52:28
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| The other character should be brought up to your level if it's going to be any fun for them. Otherwise they'll just end up cleaning up your mess. |
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Grandmaster Kane
Seeker
64 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2007 : 12:11:31
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Originally posted by Kes_Alanadel
To each their own I guess. *Shrug* If you were to play in one of my games and tried to bring this character in, the answer would be no. One, I don't allow characters from other campaigns. Two, I don't allow the Frenzied Berzerker. Three, an ECL 47 character is not something I would deal with unless the entire party was that level, and had been together the entire time, adventuring together from 1st level. In games I run, Wish is an extremely rare spell, and finding someone(s) who would cast it that often is unheard of.
From a player stand point, if you brought this character to play, the DM allowed it to be played, and my character was only 12th level, I would leave the group. It was very unfair to the others in your group (your friends?) to even think about playing one that munchkined.
Just my 2 coppers,
~Kes
In are campaign i have a cabal of wizards that cast wish spells on me as long as i give them suffienct payment (1000 platiums and a weapon, piece of armor or jewlery with at least an +3 enchantment)
All so i have had a circle spell cast on me to provide me with longevity at the prime age of 290 (The longevity only last as long as i wear a cursed item bu i wont draw you into that side story) |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 24 Jan 2007 : 14:14:45
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I am almost afraid to ask, where do you get the platinum and magic weapons from and what do the wizards use it for?
As for the question on whether this character should be allowed. Hey, if the whole group feel like playing a Monty Haul campaign, why not? But don't be surprised if someone raise a voice of opposition. |
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
762 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2007 : 14:59:59
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| The wizards use the platinum to make Rods of the Most Ultimate Power Ever, Anywhere, of course! |
Death is Life
Love is Hate
Revenge is Forgiveness
Ken: You from the States?
Jimmy: Yeah. But don't hold it against me.
Ken: I'll try not to... Just try not to say anything too loud or crass. |
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Grandmaster Kane
Seeker
64 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2007 : 11:55:52
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Originally posted by Kiaransalyn
The wizards use the platinum to make Rods of the Most Ultimate Power Ever, Anywhere, of course!
Lol i am to most ultimate power ever (Besides thous epic level magic freaks)
Also if you where wondering my Drow's name is Elghinn d' ssussun
it means death of light in drow
a good drow translator is here http://www.grey-company.org/Maerdyn/resources/translator/index.cgi? |
Edited by - Grandmaster Kane on 25 Jan 2007 12:05:07 |
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
762 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2007 : 12:37:43
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Originally posted by Grandmaster Kane
a good drow translator is here http://www.grey-company.org/Maerdyn/resources/translator/index.cgi?
That 'translator' sullies the word, "translator!" The 'dictionary' of drow terms which that particular 'translator' uses was compiled from random submissions via the internet. This is why there is a word for television in that 'translator!'
If you have any sense delete that link from your browser forthwith. You may as well just switch around a few consonants, add a sprinkle of apostrophes that serve no purpose and overlook simple grammar. |
Death is Life
Love is Hate
Revenge is Forgiveness
Ken: You from the States?
Jimmy: Yeah. But don't hold it against me.
Ken: I'll try not to... Just try not to say anything too loud or crass. |
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Grandmaster Kane
Seeker
64 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2007 : 15:47:54
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| If you have a better one you are more than welcome to post it >.< |
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Kaladorm
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
1176 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2007 : 15:55:47
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is myth-drannor.net dead now?
The sub-site Sshamath had some info on the drow, and I believe it may have had something of the language.
Then again I may have used basic elven to name my Drow character |
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
762 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2007 : 16:36:44
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Originally posted by Grandmaster Kane
If you have a better one you are more than welcome to post it >.<
I resent the use of the description 'better' since that implies that the 'translator' you are using was designed by people with a basic understanding of linguistics. Furthermore, it suggests that this 'translator' of which you speak of attempts to satisfy its primary function when it doesn't. If you wish to labour under the misapprehension that this 'translator' can somehow produce drow phrases then I have no desire to stop you.
Unfortunately, the world is full of idiots who think that all it takes to make a word look foreign to users of English is to add an apostrophe, an X, and a few Z's. This is known as the Marvel Comics approach. Sadly, to those of us who have mastered joined-up writing this approach looks exactly like what it is: made-up.
It doesn't take much effort to design a rudimentary grammar. Indeed some kind-hearted soul has even made a kit to help in such situations.
http://www.zompist.com/kit.html
However, I should imagine most people won't read it because the author uses big words.
If at some point in the future the realisation that you are using a poor cypher dawns on you then you may wish to check the following page:
http://www.jashan.net/sites/conlangs/drow/index.shtml
This was written by someone who approached the subject of a drow language from a linguistic background. I recommend it simply because it is apparent that they have given the matter deep consideration.
Failing that, why not just use the Drow Dictionary
http://php.iupui.edu/~asimmon/drow.html |
Death is Life
Love is Hate
Revenge is Forgiveness
Ken: You from the States?
Jimmy: Yeah. But don't hold it against me.
Ken: I'll try not to... Just try not to say anything too loud or crass. |
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Korginard
Learned Scribe
USA
126 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2007 : 19:30:15
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Well, it seems to me that your character lives in a world where rediculous wishes come true WITHOUT any help from spellcasters.
My personal problems with the concept: (The opinion which you asked for mind you  )
1) Wishes are OBVIOUSLY misused in this campain. A wish is an attempt to cheat the universe and alter reality to suit your needs. The universe does not aprechiate this, and Reality WILL make you pay for your audacity. Noone should EVER get exactly what they want when they make a wish be it by spell, genie, magic item, whatever. I don't care how well you try to word it, There's always a twist, always some factor the caster did not intend. A wish gone wrong has the potential power to destroy the entire world. (This is if a God doesn't step in and smite the idiot who's doing it). And what about the Gods? They sort of like reality the way they've shaped it, and don't take kindly to silly little mortals mucking it up.
For this reason alone, NO wizard in thier right mind would cast this spell for any amount of money, and only a lunatic would trust one that agrees to.
2) The level difference is downright obnoxious. Bottom line: It's not fair to the other players. WHY are you and the DM doing this to them? Bigger question is what haven't they
a) Quit
b) Demanded your removal
c) Fired the DM
d) All of the above
3) As has already been said, where is the challenge here? Where is the fun is smashing thru all obsticles and never being the least bit threatened. This may be fun for you, I call it boring. I'd like to think most of us here have outgrown the thrill of "Thug SMASH!"
I think both you and your fellow players would find more enjoyment in the game if you retired this character.
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Kaladorm
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Jan 2007 : 10:13:24
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I can see how playing a high level character in a game such as an MMORPG would be fun, where you are obviously constrained by the world and have to work to level up your character.
What I don't understand is why anyone should be more 'proud' about having a level 40-50-60.... character than any other level?
I mean it's not like you 'have' to work hard to get one. If I wanted a level 100 character I could just make one right now. D&D is essentially limitless, or at least with limits that 'you' (and/or the DM) impose.
Now what you 'can' be proud of is a character that has many stories to tell, a deep and involved backstory, and a fully fledged personality, from the time spent attaining those levels.
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Grandmaster Kane
Seeker
64 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jan 2007 : 12:03:07
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Originally posted by Korginard
Well, it seems to me that your character lives in a world where rediculous wishes come true WITHOUT any help from spellcasters.
My personal problems with the concept: (The opinion which you asked for mind you )
1) Wishes are OBVIOUSLY misused in this campain. A wish is an attempt to cheat the universe and alter reality to suit your needs. The universe does not aprechiate this, and Reality WILL make you pay for your audacity. Noone should EVER get exactly what they want when they make a wish be it by spell, genie, magic item, whatever. I don't care how well you try to word it, There's always a twist, always some factor the caster did not intend. A wish gone wrong has the potential power to destroy the entire world. (This is if a God doesn't step in and smite the idiot who's doing it). And what about the Gods? They sort of like reality the way they've shaped it, and don't take kindly to silly little mortals mucking it up.
For this reason alone, NO wizard in thier right mind would cast this spell for any amount of money, and only a lunatic would trust one that agrees to.
2) The level difference is downright obnoxious. Bottom line: It's not fair to the other players. WHY are you and the DM doing this to them? Bigger question is what haven't they
a) Quit
b) Demanded your removal
c) Fired the DM
d) All of the above
3) As has already been said, where is the challenge here? Where is the fun is smashing thru all obsticles and never being the least bit threatened. This may be fun for you, I call it boring. I'd like to think most of us here have outgrown the thrill of "Thug SMASH!"
I think both you and your fellow players would find more enjoyment in the game if you retired this character.
1) Neever been to lusken have you?
2) i have decied to travel on my own in search of a stronger group to campaign with
3) i do enjoy a degree of safty lol
in addition i am adding warhulk to my list of classes (sweet) |
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Korginard
Learned Scribe
USA
126 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jan 2007 : 14:42:28
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1) Neever been to lusken have you?
2) i have decied to travel on my own in search of a stronger group to campaign with
3) i do enjoy a degree of safty lol
in addition i am adding warhulk to my list of classes (sweet)
1) If you mean Luskan (not criticising spelling, just clarifying) then my point is valid. The Hosttower mages are NOT in thier right minds, and you WOULD have to be a lunatic to trust them.
2) If you can find a game where the other players are the same or similar levels, and the DM can create a fun and challenging world for them to adventure in, then I'm sure it will be lots of fun. I wish you luck in your search and hope you find a good home for your character.
3) Safety to you is boring to me. No challenge, no risk, no fun. It's one of those "To each thier own" situations. As long as you are having fun AND that fun is not at the expense of others, then it's all good. |
Edited by - Korginard on 26 Jan 2007 14:47:54 |
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