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WalkerNinja
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 26 Jan 2007 : 15:42:04
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| Well put, Kor. |
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Grandmaster Kane
Seeker
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Posted - 26 Jan 2007 : 15:56:22
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Originally posted by Korginard
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1) Neever been to lusken have you?
2) i have decied to travel on my own in search of a stronger group to campaign with
3) i do enjoy a degree of safty lol
in addition i am adding warhulk to my list of classes (sweet)
1) If you mean Luskan (not criticising spelling, just clarifying) then my point is valid. The Hosttower mages are NOT in thier right minds, and you WOULD have to be a lunatic to trust them. 
2) If you can find a game where the other players are the same or similar levels, and the DM can create a fun and challenging world for them to adventure in, then I'm sure it will be lots of fun. I wish you luck in your search and hope you find a good home for your character.
3) Safety to you is boring to me. No challenge, no risk, no fun. It's one of those "To each thier own" situations. As long as you are having fun AND that fun is not at the expense of others, then it's all good.
Yes as you have all noticed by now my spelling sucks when i type quickly so bare with me.
I have just met god. Well not a god but you will see look at this.
Stop me if I'm wrong.
Half ogre: Large size, +6 strength, -2 int, -2 chr, +1 LA
5 levels of barbarian: +5 bab, 2 feats, rage (+4 strength) twice a day
Warhulk: Prereqs BAB 5, large size, power attack. Benefits: 10 levels gives +20 strength, boulder throwing (strength instead of dex to hit, damage 2d8, hit 4 targets with a single throw).
Hulking hurler: Prereqs BAB 5, large size, 3 level PRC. Benefits: 2 levels gives: Really throw anything (chuck anything up to a light load). Super really throw anything (chuck anything up to a medium load and two size categories above you).
So - we have an 18th level character. His strength is (assuming an 18 to start) 24+4(levels)+4(rage)+20(war hulk) = 52. We can get to 62 with magical items with relative ease.
This makes his medium load 346 (medium load for a strength 22 character) x 256 (4 x 4 x 4 x 4 - +40 strength from the encumberance rules on extending the table) x 3 (because he's large) = 265728.
The end of complete warrior says that a thrown weapon does 5d6 damage for a 400 pound object, plus another 1d6 for every 200 pounds beyond that.
(265728-400)/200 x 1d6 + 5d6 = 1331d6 damage. Plus strength bonus (+39).
An average of about 4697 damage a hit.
Hmm.
Lead weighs in at 712 pounds per cubic foot, so we need 373 cubic feet of lead to throw. As a sphere, that has a diameter of 8.932771693 feet. Which probably falls within the large to colossal size range that our buddy can throw.
And if we buy it as lead sling bullets, it comes in at 1 silver for 5 pounds of lead, making our lead ball cost 5315 (rounded up) gold.
So if 4 targets line up in a row...
Splat.
Splat.
Splat.
Splat.
Painful.
I think that makes 18788 points of damage in blocks of 4697 damage. At that point, who cares about damage resistance!
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
762 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jan 2007 : 16:56:21
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| What happens if you make a PC using a troll? |
Death is Life
Love is Hate
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Archwizard
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 26 Jan 2007 : 16:56:49
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Half-ogres are LA +2, it was errata'ed in more recent sources (Races of Destiny).
This tactic assumes the targets are on an open field lined up for you to knock them down. Assuming a lot.
The people on the CharOps board at WotC can make this look like a toddler throwing toys in a temper tantrum. |
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Kaladorm
Master of Realmslore
United Kingdom
1176 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jan 2007 : 21:21:03
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Don't forget if you add a magic enchantment to it you can get +1dmg!  |
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Archwizard
Learned Scribe
USA
266 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jan 2007 : 21:38:58
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| (Masterwork) Lead weight/block/ball +5 returning, distance, wounding, impact, and vorpal (yes, it bludgeons so well it decapitates). |
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Walls
Acolyte
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Posted - 26 Jan 2007 : 22:04:14
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| I think groups with these types of characters are why I get turned off by trying to find new groups. Why? That's all I can ask. Why? |
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WalkerNinja
Senior Scribe
USA
577 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jan 2007 : 22:17:16
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| Might I inquire as the the Realms relevance of this thread? |
*** A Forgotten Realms Addict since 1990 ***
Treasures of the Past, a Second Edition Play-by-Post game for and by Candlekeep Sages--http://www.rpol.net/game.cgi?gi=52011 |
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Mazrim_Taim
Learned Scribe
341 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jan 2007 : 16:44:40
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I'd really love to read the story behind this character. 
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And if the PCs DO win their ways through all the liches to Larloch, he will almost certainly be just another lich (loaded with explosive spells) set up as a decoy, with dozens of hidden liches waiting to pounce on any surviving PCs who celebrate after they take Larloch down. As the REAL Larloch watches (magical scrying) from afar. Myself, as DM, Id be wondering: Such a glorious game, so many opportunities laid out before your PCs to devote your time to, and THIS fixation is the best you can come up with? Are you SURE youre adventurers? -Ed Greenwood
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Grandmaster Kane
Seeker
64 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jan 2007 : 20:56:58
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Originally posted by Mazrim_Taim
I'd really love to read the story behind this character.
My character or the other dudes?
Ps i just thought about using a storm giant   |
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
762 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jan 2007 : 08:39:55
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Originally posted by Grandmaster Kane
i just thought about using a storm giant
May we quote you out of context on this?
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Death is Life
Love is Hate
Revenge is Forgiveness
Ken: You from the States?
Jimmy: Yeah. But don't hold it against me.
Ken: I'll try not to... Just try not to say anything too loud or crass. |
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marchingpig
Acolyte
Norway
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Posted - 28 Jan 2007 : 20:22:58
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This thread makes me laugh every single time I read through it. And guess what?
I just thought about using a storm giant aswell...  |
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Grandmaster Kane
Seeker
64 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jan 2007 : 21:18:04
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| lmao dont laugh at me lol |
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Grandmaster Kane
Seeker
64 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2007 : 12:06:53
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My 30 epic barbarian/ 10 frenzied berserker/ 5 reaping mauler Has found a new crew to roll with Evisell the mournful 25 Evocker/ 20 cleric of Bane / 5 archmage , Daimien deathspell(lich)30 necromancer/ 15 sorecer/ 15 cleric of bane & Dorvek the bloody 30 fighter / 10 kensai / 25 Ranger
Also i have decided to dropp my 5 classes in mauler and instead gain in warhulk and fighter. Warhulk for the huge str bonuses and fighter because... well i love feats. (just imagine me taking 5 more extend rages, and 5 more extra rages im so giddy)
I have had an enlarge person spel cast on me and also permenancy
My cl 40
Daimein 60
Dorvek 65
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Edited by - Grandmaster Kane on 29 Jan 2007 12:10:57 |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2007 : 12:13:33
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| You are starting to scare me Kane. |
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WalkerNinja
Senior Scribe
USA
577 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2007 : 13:18:11
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to re-iterate:
Might I inquire as the the Realms relevance of this thread? |
*** A Forgotten Realms Addict since 1990 ***
Treasures of the Past, a Second Edition Play-by-Post game for and by Candlekeep Sages--http://www.rpol.net/game.cgi?gi=52011 |
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Kes_Alanadel
Learned Scribe
USA
326 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2007 : 14:19:55
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quote:
Originally posted by WalkerNinja
to re-iterate:
Might I inquire as the the Realms relevance of this thread?
To show us that there isn't enough wine on Toril to go with this amount of cheese? *shrug* |
Ack! I seem to have too much blood in my coffee stream!
When did 'common sense' cease to be common? |
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WalkerNinja
Senior Scribe
USA
577 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2007 : 14:23:59
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A solid point, Kes. I stand corrected.
I continue to stand in awe of this topic. |
*** A Forgotten Realms Addict since 1990 ***
Treasures of the Past, a Second Edition Play-by-Post game for and by Candlekeep Sages--http://www.rpol.net/game.cgi?gi=52011 |
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marchingpig
Acolyte
Norway
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Posted - 29 Jan 2007 : 15:53:09
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You know what? I would like to play in Kane“s game. Playing D&D with a 1st level character is like first grade, while with a level xŖ character is like..... High School!
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Korginard
Learned Scribe
USA
126 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2007 : 16:15:15
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quote:
Originally posted by WalkerNinja
Might I inquire as the the Realms relevance of this thread?
Perhaps if he listed the major Realms NPCs he and his friends have killed that would make it more Realms relevant?
Didn't I just get done talking about how wishes never come true the way you want them to? 
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 29 Jan 2007 : 18:32:13
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You know what, folks? Just because most of us don't play like GMK or understand the appeal of playing a character like his, it's no reason to be dismissive of him. Let's try to be a bit more respectful to each other.
But... Having said that, I do have to agree that there is little evident Realms relevance in this thread. If we don't see something Realms-related soon, I'm going to close this thread. |
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marchingpig
Acolyte
Norway
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Posted - 29 Jan 2007 : 20:59:37
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| I have a serious question. How would you (the person reading this) DM a game with epic characters around level 50 in Faerūn? I, for one, don“t have a clue how to run a game with that high levels, as there would be too much to control. I assume gods would have to be involved due to the high levels, and that would complicate things for me as a DM. After all, gods can do pretty much anything. |
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WalkerNinja
Senior Scribe
USA
577 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2007 : 23:02:14
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Originally posted by marchingpig
I have a serious question. How would you (the person reading this) DM a game with epic characters around level 50 in Faerūn? I, for one, don“t have a clue how to run a game with that high levels, as there would be too much to control. I assume gods would have to be involved due to the high levels, and that would complicate things for me as a DM. After all, gods can do pretty much anything.
Quite honestly, as a DM, it would not be worth my time to make the necessary conversions and retro-fitting to make such a high level campaign workable or challenging. It would almost be easier to make 13th-15th level characters and retro-fit the campaign to where NPC's topped out around tenth. At least that way you could avoid using the cumbersome epic advancement system.
The only way that I might be willing to attempt doing this is making a straight conversion of the old Bloodstone Lands modules. Even then you're looking at a lot of work for what kind of pay off?
What is the intended goal of playing characters higher than 20th level? My goal when I play D&D is to play. The level of the character simply doesn't matter.
To me, character levels are like college degrees. They are not important in and of themselves. What IS important is the experience and knowledge that they represent. If you short-cut by just creating a high level character, you have no accumulated knowledge to justify the levels. It is as hollow as a kindergartner that has been handed a PhD from Harvard. Not only is the kindergartner considered a joke, so is everyone that earned their PhD's from that institution.
Its the difference between Lottery Winners and Bill Gates. Bill Gates earned it, the Lottery Winner bought a ticket. Who gets more respect, and who will be broke in two years because they have no concept of how to manage that which they have been given? |
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Grandmaster Kane
Seeker
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Posted - 30 Jan 2007 : 03:17:23
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quote:
Originally posted by marchingpig
I have a serious question. How would you (the person reading this) DM a game with epic characters around level 50 in Faerūn? I, for one, don“t have a clue how to run a game with that high levels, as there would be too much to control. I assume gods would have to be involved due to the high levels, and that would complicate things for me as a DM. After all, gods can do pretty much anything.
Basiclly use the ELH as your bible lol
Also khleben, elminster, manshoon and the seven sisters make numerous appearences |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 30 Jan 2007 : 07:26:10
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Originally posted by Grandmaster Kane
Basiclly use the ELH as your bible lol
Also khleben, elminster, manshoon and the seven sisters make numerous appearences
And now you can save their skin. Maybe even teach Khelben a spell or two.
I am curious, has the characters taken on any role of importance in the Realms or made any changes? I don't mean fighting, but have they built cities, ruled kingdoms, made Anaurochs blossom etc? With so much power what do they use it for? |
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
762 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jan 2007 : 09:17:52
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Originally posted by marchingpig
I have a serious question. How would you (the person reading this) DM a game with epic characters around level 50 in Faerūn?
I would have to either take the PCs away from Faerun to their own plane or I'd deeply embroil the PCs in politics. Someone recently described the proliferation of Chosen as an arms race. The epic characters created by GMK are to a large extent very powerful weapons. What is there for them to do except sit in underground silos waiting for the world to reach the right level of insanity. These are high level evil PC's. I'm sure the forces of Good will have their own dreadnoughts. |
Death is Life
Love is Hate
Revenge is Forgiveness
Ken: You from the States?
Jimmy: Yeah. But don't hold it against me.
Ken: I'll try not to... Just try not to say anything too loud or crass. |
Edited by - Kiaransalyn on 30 Jan 2007 09:18:40 |
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Grandmaster Kane
Seeker
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Posted - 30 Jan 2007 : 12:02:23
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Originally posted by Jorkens
quote:
Originally posted by Grandmaster Kane
Basiclly use the ELH as your bible lol
Also khleben, elminster, manshoon and the seven sisters make numerous appearences
And now you can save their skin. Maybe even teach Khelben a spell or two.
I am curious, has the characters taken on any role of importance in the Realms or made any changes? I don't mean fighting, but have they built cities, ruled kingdoms, made Anaurochs blossom etc? With so much power what do they use it for?
We like to fake that we are the personal champions of the lords of waterdeep sometimes and sometimes we are on quest to sabotage thay |
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Walls
Acolyte
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Posted - 30 Jan 2007 : 14:59:19
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Why do epic level characters only ever meet epic level characters? Does everyone else vanish?
And... one of those guys is more powerful then everyone in Waterdeep combined. I doubt they'd work for anyone.
I look at it this way. 50th level? That'd take... oh... hundreds of years. Drizzt was in Icewind Dale for like 7 years between books or something and went up a level or two maybe. |
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Korginard
Learned Scribe
USA
126 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jan 2007 : 18:26:26
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There are epic level challenges for epic characters in the realms. The Phaerim, Sharn, and Malugrim could all be used to present appropriate challenges, and there are threats out there that only 50th level characters are powerful enough to be aware of (and for those threats to be aware of them).
As for them being more powerful than everyone in Waterdeep combined.. don't confuse personal power with political power. They may be more powerful than anyone, but they're no match for EVERYone. The Lords are more powerful than the party because the Lords don't have to fight them directly, they could send entire armies against the party, and a 50th level character is no match for a couple thousand 0-level soldiers.
Now, about Drizzt. You're making the common mistake of confusing a story character with a game character. Drizzt didn't level because that didn't fit into the story that was being told. |
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Grandmaster Kane
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Posted - 31 Jan 2007 : 11:58:12
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Originally posted by Walls
Why do epic level characters only ever meet epic level characters? Does everyone else vanish?
And... one of those guys is more powerful then everyone in Waterdeep combined. I doubt they'd work for anyone.
I look at it this way. 50th level? That'd take... oh... hundreds of years. Drizzt was in Icewind Dale for like 7 years between books or something and went up a level or two maybe.
Even epics bow before the almighty dollar
And hat he sai about the soilders ^^ is true but it would hve to be a big number of soilders like at least 40k
Epic spells are a bicth lol |
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